Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Lieven, JUST STOP! It's over, you are burned, it's BEEN OVER. Oh my god!

 

The fact he knows what he's talking about, unlike you, as he pointed out to you, if you remember.

Yep, this 430 Scuderia BS popped up before and a video emerged. The driver is nowhere close to the limit, so what he found on two separate days is completely irrelevant.

Completely wrong, non-pros will drive inside their comfort zone not those of the car or tyre.

Because they were both done on the same day relative to the same tyre.

If you can't follow the conversation, don't reply. It means precisely what it says, grip conditions affect lap times, but not Vpeaks on straights assuming dry. And the 2 Sebring laps were back to back, same day.

 

I'm not comparing the lap times, only the battery life, which is comparable.

Not at all. Only you.

 

The facts are clearly in my favour but some people don't want to accept them.

I'm still waiting for Whoopsy to ask Andrew if he pitted the lap before the two in the video.

 

He was arguing/pointing out things which are completely irrelevant to what we're talking about. i.e 918 vs P1 and my personal experience of pushing said cars to their limits (which I can't do even if I tried). It has nothing to do with whether Harris test was valid or not or if the trofeo's are faster than the sc2's. (which your former god said they were)
It's also quite hilarious that you're playing the "he knows what he's talking about and you don't" card when that exact same thing can and have been said to you for as long as you've posted in this thread (and on Mclife as well IIRC...)

So there's a video from one track day? Ok. There were two guys who said the trofeo's were faster on their cars. One video from one track day (I'm presuming they had done more than one track day on stock tires?) won't debunk that.

I'll agree that the faster you go the more difference will show between two tires, but it's preposterous to say that there's no difference unless you're going 10/10 of what the car and tire can handle. Third grade physics will show you why.

Ok, what exactly has that got to do with anything I said? You start talking about batteries and I have barely used the letters needed to spell battery even if you combine all the posts I have on f-chat. Why are you talking about the Sebring laps?

Relative to the same tire? So what?? You just said that tests done on different days is BS! That relative tire was still tested almost a year apart on different tracks, with different cars AND in the first test it wasn't even compared to the tire we're actually talking about! It's so hypocritical/delusional that I'm actually lost for words.

 

Err actually at least two of the those drivers making the comments are pro-level.

He said they were slightly faster if certain conditions were met, not the 1-2s/minute people are claiming. And that applies to off-the shelf tyres not bespoke items, e.g. to argue that Z06 Cup 2s and AMG GTR Cup 2s (faster options) are the same as stock Cup 2s or even close is crazy, ditto for V720 ACRs vs stock V720s. And they also said that Corsas are terrible, referring to them as a handicap.

If you're not near the limit then the difference you see is only applicable to you. A lot of these drivers are also very inconsistent. Watch this video. An amateur can be seconds faster on some laps even with no changes on the same damn day, so using their opinion on how many seconds faster X tyre is than Y tyre driven on different days is ludicrous. It's basically a test where you're not controlling any of the other variables, yet you're trying to draw a conclusion about the effects of one variable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JkByomaXA

Well I don't know what you're talking about then. The tyre tests I posted were same day Trofeo vs Cup+ and Cup 2 vs Cup+. The Corsa System was regarded as similar in pace to Cup+ but a better all round package.

Pirelli PZero Corsa vs Michelin Pilot Sport Cup
http://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/389528-michelin-cups-v-pirelli-corsas.html

So if Cup 2 is 2.4s faster than Cup+ at Jerez (2:10ish lap) and 1.7s faster at Aragon (2:20ish lap) and Trofeo Rs were 1.78s faster than Corsas at Portimao (1:50ish lap), I'd say that puts them about square on lap time, especially when the 918's are bespoke Cup 2s. Some Porsche die-hards have been trying to argue that a tyre similar in dry grip to a Cup+ suddenly became comparable to a Cup 2 when it suited them.

FFS, if I find Tyre B 2s faster than tyre A on day X and tyre C 2s faster than tyre A on day Y, it is fairly reasonable to say that tyre B is roughly equivalent in speed to tyre C. Surely you can grasp that?

 

holy hellroid. my head is about to explode. Who ACTUALLY cares about any of this stuff?

 

No I can't grasp that because you still don't get that the tire that you are trying to prove the sc2's to be "roughly equivalent in speed to" is not used in that test. So you are actually trying to show that tire B is roughly equivalent in speed to tire D (!), for which you have no data. I've told you this twice already and it's quite alarming that you still can't get your head around that.

It's also not fairly reasonable to make a conclusion if the conditions on day X and Y are different, it's not reasonable if it's different drivers and it's not reasonable if it's different cars. At least it wouldn't have been if we would go by your previous rules that you've conveniently seemed to have kicked out the window now..

Look, I don't really give a **** about those test.. I'm trying to prove my point that you twist things around to either debunk or prove an argument, depending on which side of it you are on. The fact that you did that very thing to prove me wrong now is quite fascinating and it's also one of the reasons why I have such a love-hate relationship with this whole thread.

 

Haha yea I know. It makes me want to laugh and throw my computer out the window at the same time.

 

On Mclaren Life he recently started arguing with Whoopsy that the 918 actually makes much more power than Porsche advertised and is therefore quicker than Porsche advertised especially at the top end. I couldn't believe it when I was reading it. It's like Whoopsy has screwed with his head so much that he can no longer tell which side of the argument he sides on anymore.

 

Nah, I didn't do nothing, he did it to himself. He has lied and switched around so much just for argument sake he already lost track of his position a long time ago. Like I said earlier, he has changed the goal post so many times that even he doesn't know where the goal post is anymore.



Or to think about it this way, this is quantum physics.

Whenever we 'probe' Mycroft/Lieven/LMFAO's position, we will find out what it is, but because of the probing, we simultaneously changed his position also. His position has many many states simultaneously, so he can be right no matter what is discussed. Once we proved him wrong by 'probing' him, he instantaneously jumped to a different position and be right again, until we again 'probe' him and proof him wrong again on that position and he will again jumped to another position to start it all over.

 

Isn't that called quantum entanglement? Yep, this dude is 'special'...

 

These kind of members are every time contradictory on every single time you post an aspect, the answer is no. There is just one reason and it's the need to want to win. And need to win make false papers. It is comprensible, we aren't idiots. They just think they let you pass for an idiot.

 

And what of the fact that everyone found Corsa System to be roughly the same grip as Cup+ (but better in the wet), now Cup 2 is out and proven to be 1+s/min faster than Cup+, people are claiming Corsa System is roughly equivalent to Cup 2?

This is really simple. Corsa System ~ Cup+ and Trofeo Rs are the same amount faster than these two tyres and Cup 2s are. Hence Trofeo R ~ Cup 2.

And so what if they were Trofeos and not Trofeo Rs in that test. They were only a few tenths faster than Cup+ and non-R Trofeos are still faster than Corsa Systems, so Corsa System ~ Cup+. So if Cup 2 is 2.4s faster than Cup+ at Jerez and Trofeo R is 1.8s faster than Corsa System at Portimao, it proves once again that Trofeo Rs and Cup 2s are in the same ball park.

 

You lost the argument because you still haven't proved that he didn't pit the lap before and the lap timer says he did. If he pitted and was on an out-lap then the battery was fully charged, the end.

 

Boyko23 claimed that, so don't put that one on me.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143421414-post12263.html

 

Actually no, it's just that some people think magazine hot lap tests are the be-all and end-all of performance measurement but they aren't. Why?

1) Tester doesn't want to crash car;

2) Tester not used to car;

3) Cup 2 >> Corsa System;

4) 1 lap does not tell you anything about track day performance after several laps;

5) Magazines tend to test on slower, shorter tracks.

And it's 3) and 4) that make the reality of the 918 not as good on track as the picture painted in the media - the opinion of at least 2 pro-level drivers who own both, and a P1/LaF owner who attended the Laguna test.

 

Thank you for proving my point.
Have a nice day.

 

We'll take this really slowly.

Are Trofeos faster or slower than Corsa Systems?

 

Two people with more than one accounts have finally begin their intense battle.

And Lieven is beginning to show his true colors.What MRE is required to enjoy the pop corns.

 

You know something,both of you have 2 things in common
1.Both have/had more than one account in chat.
2.Both of you would believe magazines blindly in terms of track configurations like contidrom and estoril issues.

Coming to the point.If you say magazines are pointless then why do you only claim that when P1 loses to 918,when P1 wins you never say that.

5.Regarding fast tracks I think we have already gone through Sebring lap times with passengers onboard.

And before quoting from mckarenlife you should remember that they may be biased against McLaren in the same way fchat is biased toward Ferrari.

 

By the same token and argument, you can't prove that he pitted nor the battery is fully charged either. We can play this game all day and you will still lose. Just look around in here. Can you name one member coming to your defence about your side of the argument?

He never stated whether he pitted or not. And a 918 doesn't magically charged to full when sitting in the pit, I do not think Sebring has a charging station there. This is all your own speculation.

I only stated what he said in messages. You are the one trying the hardest to fill in the blanks with your imagination.

Does anyone but you cared about what's missing? Nope.

All we know is that the car was driven there by the owner, battery state unknown. Andrew did 2 laps before the recorded 2 laps. That's all the facts only. Deal with it.

Am I anxious to find out if they are consecutive or not? Nope. If you are, you are welcome to ask him yourself. But don't let him know you are Mycroft/Lieven/LMFAO though. Your reputation, or lack of, precedes you.

 

Do you have youtube video proof of that?

 

Do you have any proof of anything you've said in the last 100 pages?

 

Lap timer proves he pitted, either that or he drove a lap of Sebring in over 5 minutes. Either way the battery is charged.

Come now, in lap, dawdle through pit lane, out lap, how long does the 918 take to charge again?

I'll bet you're not anxious to find out and we know why, don't we?