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  1. Traveller

    Traveller F1 Veteran

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    I wonder if this is a function of age and the younger, more edgy crowd might prefer the 812?
     
  2. furoni

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    Could be...although i'm 42 so i fell a bit in the middle :)
    One thing i clearly dislike are the wheels, i'm with Griffon83 on this one. I know some people disliked the f12 rear, but i love it, i also think that the single ligth works better then two. The back as some nice features but´s it's very busy, almost messy imo.
     
  3. Prancing12

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    So far, by looking at the nasty official chopped photos:

    The only thing it has over the F12B is the engine cc enlargement, everything else is meh (C7 front end and square pants rear end that looks like someone installed an aftermarket diffuser purchased off ebay).

    The beauty of design is fading away slowly, it's only a matter of time before it turns into a boy racers dream car in the future. The switch from N/a to TT is a start...

    In terms of design, the GTC4Lusso is more of a downgrade from the FF imho.

    The 488 and Cali T are hardly holding up in the lineup, but for how long ? because the turbocharged engine (to me) it sounded like a toilet being flushed at redline, it doesn't hold a candle next to a 458, 430, 360 or 355.

    Things might change when we see more photos being shot at Geneva, but I'm still not turned on with the in-house design.

    I miss the man in suit more than the one in sweater with reading glasses.
     
  4. MDEL

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    I've mentioned before that I don't dislike the 821 but will have a better opinion when I see it alive. However the thing I can't figure for the moment are the wheels, it's difficult to explain why but I sense a kind of asymmetry effect that my mind isn't able to resolve yet so I definitely prefer the F12 diamonds.
     
  5. MalibuGuy

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    I think this steering wheel looks like the one in the GTC Lusso
     
  6. Ngcanada

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    I like most of the design, but the rear.....if the four round lights were two rectangular ones, then it resembles the Hurracan, the more I look at the rear, the more Hurracan it looks, or is it just me?
     
  7. maserati_ferrari

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    the wheels in this picture seem to have a "polished" finish.

    Marco.
     
  8. Scion

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    I have to say, I prefer the elegance of the f12. I guess wait until we see the reveal in geneva to have a more clear view. it sounds that those who have seen it in the "flesh" found it appealing.

    Feeling a little deflated to be honest.
     
  9. Milanno

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    #2634 Milanno, Feb 16, 2017
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  10. dcmetro

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    Awesome Work !
     
  11. Shack

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    Did u view the real car or a photoshop render as I am really keen on Blue
     
  12. ingegnere

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    Thanks Scraggy. Your input, as well as others', was much appreciated.

    Thanks to all for the kind comments, it really was my pleasure to share my vision of what was hiding under the camo.
     
  13. ingegnere

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    #2638 ingegnere, Feb 16, 2017
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    Thanks Tim, very kind of you.

    I still think I wasn't that far off on the front overhang for a pure long-range side-on view ;-)

    Repost of pic here is admittedly partly a front 3/4, but nevertheless 812 seems to have more overhang than F12.

    BTW, anybody thinking 240Z? (Not that I'm saying it looks like a 240Z... or a 'Vette or anything ;-)
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  14. ingegnere

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    #2639 ingegnere, Feb 16, 2017
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    Thanks for your kind comments in your other post Garretto.

    To answer your question, there are a few design elements on the actual car that I considered but then didn't draw because I thought "naw, they wouldn't do that." I tried to keep in mind that the present design regime seems to favor more graphical details and more detailing in general. Also, more complexity (as noted by other posters, too), maybe driven by aero considerations, and less purity of form and surfaces as I had come to expect from the Pininfarina design era.

    For example, the slope of the C-pillar, I saw was flatter and ending higher at the back, but since I prefer a more tapering rear with a kick-up spoiler, I drew it this way. In my mind, I was seeing '71 Mustang vs. '70 Mustang. Muscle car fans will understand, ha-ha.

    The step in the rear fender aft of the fender vent is good for its aero functioning but I couldn't reconcile how to keep the sweep of the rear fender arc uninterrupted.

    At the rear, I couldn't imagine it being so disjointed, but I drew that anyway based on the pics of the prototypes and not being able to find a cleaner solution, which was maybe not Ferrari's goal here anyway.

    I highlighted the a couple of elements that were unexpected for me (in yellow) though, in hindsight, they should not have been so because of precedence on the Lusso (where it's looks odd from some angles) for the sweep of the crease on the hood (defining the hood vent) continuing onto the front fender and the concatenation (linking) of lines from the front fender vent to the rear quarter vent. I actually was going to draw this but thought it would be too fussy. These details will be fun to appreciate in the flesh but may be lost on the casual observer.

    The complex treatment and linking of lines (as opposed to surfaces and volumes) can be seem on Cali T, 488 and of course the LaF.

    It's interesting how they repeated the sort of traverse bands covering the air channels (as we decided to call them" at the front (hood and fender) and the rear (quarter and fender) with scoops at the leading edge and exit vents at the back.

    Overall, an interesting and original design but at bit heavy at the back fender and busy at the rear.
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  15. SVCalifornia

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    Don't know why Ferrari keep publishing renders of the car rather than real photos. Wheels are ridiculously large.

    The sneaky pic is the real thing and tho the quality is awful, you see as it is...

    SV
     
  16. rumble

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    I was chatting the guy who led the exterior design of the car at the preview and this was his opinion too. He felt the car suited Argento N and Grigio Titanio.

    A lot of the creases in the bodywork got lost on the red car so it lost definition. In contrast the matt metallic car looked more muscular as you could see the shape better.



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  18. Garretto

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    Thanks Ingegnere for elaborating.

    My additional thoughts on this car:

    The spy picture on matt or satin grey adds a new angle which I think is by far more fortunate than the angles of the official pictures.

    Filling the headlight-intake recessed area in black might work better for the front view.

    All in all, I concur with most: busy and heavy at some areas, not elegant.

    PS: someone mentioned the squarepants rear, that's indeed a good one! :D
     
  19. Scraggy

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    Can Tim and Olivier please merge threads this is a nightmare ! I was heading for a divorce before reviewing both - she will think I am mad.
     
  20. Garretto

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    Thanks for your efforts, Milanno.

    I have a request: filling the recessed area of the headlight-intake with black or dark grey. Wondering if it could help with the rocambolesque headlight shape.
     
  21. F12KID

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    I've asked twice they won't oblige lol
     
  22. Traveller

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    I totally agree, I really don't know why we needed two threads until after Geneva, the launch, when there would be actual cars to photograph with different clients schemes.

    Mods, if you can merge, please do so.

    Thanks
     
  23. Traveller

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    Nothing I can do I'm afraid.
     
  24. F12KID

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    Ha! [emoji6][emoji485]
     
  25. Traveller

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    I hate to say it but this was not of my making and did comment at the time, but only the Moderators can combine threads.
     

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