Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I assume a magazine knows what track they're testing on yes. But no, I didn't add those Contidrom times, I was actually the one who resolved the issue by proving that the 3.8km configuration does not exist with this picture.
http://media.fastestlaps.com/85gnt01e1gnr

I say that anyway, because it's a general truth.

Err no, because we don't have a comparable full lap by a pro in a P1.

Can't see why, one of them is from Switzerland, one is from the US, one from the UK, all own more than 1 of the big 3, one owns all of them and the P1 GTR + FXX K + GT3 RS + F12 tdf + 488 GTB. Not exactly the description of biased people. Whoopsy on the other hand... owns just 918 and complains.

 

You forgot to mention what you own sport???? Oh right nothinggggg lolololol

 

But it doesn't change the fact that you earlier believed that contidrom 3.8km existed.By the way if a mag shows Sebring lap in 1999 with 1998 configuration,wouldn't you believe that?If a mag shows lap of lemans circuit in 1990 with 1989 config wouldn't you believe that too even if official site mentions the change in circuit with year,and lastly if mag mentions lap of castle combe in 1999 with 1998 config I think you would believe that too without verifying.

I won't say that unless I can prove it.

You can't tell that driver wasn't a pro without knowing his name also the logic you used to prove that he isn't a pro is flawed.

If you are referring to driver like A West,there is a video if him doing lap in good wood with back mono and the lap times were slower than McLaren F1,GTR 480hp and even murcielago.I think Back Mono should be faster than all these cars I mentioned.

 

I have a full set of teeth, all my own.

 

Not really, it was more the case that I realised that there was some confusion from the posts on the board as to which laps were done on which configuration, so I did some investigation to try help resolve it, found some magazine pages listing the '3.8km' but the times seemed way too fast for a longer configuration, so I took to Google Earth and resolved the issue. That's pretty much what I do when something doesn't look right.

It's been proven time and time again. Factory drivers always slaughter magazine testers and 1 lap does not a good track day car make for any number of reasons, e.g. too heavy on tyres/brakes, engine has insufficient cooling to retain full power, ditto for transmission, battery doesn't last very long at full whack etc.

Not really, you get a feel for these things. The 918 is a guy in a race suit with a lap timer setup, the P1 guy is giving people rides and having a chat. I don't need to be clairvoyant to see that for what it is. Pro or not, he isn't trying, not has he even put in a full lap without edit, so there's nothing to measure. He probably did that deliberately so some guys on fchat couldn't make out the 918 was faster just because he lapped a P1 slower. On Corsa Systems too.

Yeah and if you look at the International GT Open times from last year, you'll see he's only 2s down on Kevin Estre and Duncan Tappy types on the likes of Spa. So don't be too quick to judge. And for the record Randy Pobst was 3s down on the Nissan factory driver on Laguna in the 2008 GTR. Plus you have the fact he actually owns these cars and is familiar with them, unlike magazine testers.

And you're also wrong, 9:37-10:04, there's a 1:27 lap with some traffic, so faster than single lap from GTR (1:27.7). Another 1:27 at 12:26-13:53. Goodwood also has an average speed of well over 100mph, so it is not well suited to the BAC Mono. E.g. Sabine Schmidt drove it around Spa, it lapped slower than 430 Scud, C6 ZR1, F12TDF and 997 Turbo (which was slower than the GTR on most tracks in its day and not even driven by a pro in this case). Spa has a similar average speed to Goodwood.
Spa Francorchamps lap times - FastestLaps.com
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/8ng79oblh09g

And you should also note that times for multiple laps are not the same as times for single laps, hence why qualifying lap times are different to race times. Two 1:27 and one 1:29 laps back-to-back from 9:30-13:53. It should also be noted that this is a 2.3 Mono, not the faster 2.5 with the Kumho V70As. The 2.3 was only slightly faster than the GT3 and 12C at Blyton Park with Evo.
Blyton Park Circuit lap times - FastestLaps.com

So this is not the same Mono that ran 1:07 at Anglesey Coastal with Evo.

 

So sick if this nonsense. What are current reselling values of the three cars?

 

A crazy amount, a beyond crazy amount, and an omg I didn't know numbers went that high amount.

 

Seems like someone is getting sick of the nonsense circular arguments from Mr Liar. (Btw, I think I just spent what you made in 2 years)

Shall we move on and talk about something else?

Like, my newest purchase?
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Do I even need to proof myself?

You are the one that everyone called a liar, not me.

 

Looks nice! Have you ever thought about a Singer?

 

I did, they are lovely, Rob and I had a few chat about me getting one. But at the end of the day I would still go for a factory original car, which is what I bought.

 

So since were dealing with youtube videos, anyone on here want to compare times on forza and assetto corsa?
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Go ask Mycroft/Lieven/LMFAO, he is the resident 'expert' on youtube, the rest of us are more in the real world field.

 

so you caught the sarcasm, eh.

 

Although this does make me wonder. Who on here has good enough connections with ferrari to have been told the nurburgring simulation time? I know porsche did a sim for the gt2rs, what is the lafa's time?

 

First of all I know that factory drivers are faster than mag drivers but that doesn't make their comparison invalid if done on same day by same driver.I have observed that you only say that when P1 loses.If you really were unbiased you would also have claimed that in the instance where 918 lost.

Regarding good wood times,you are wrong in terms of time segment you posted.I only timed first 5 laps but in the end back mono was only .9s faster than Nissan gtr.So I was correct when I timed only 5 laps.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=31xIErREy2A
I have added the video link so that people can verify the segments I have taken.Here are the time I got with stopwatch
L1 1:45-3:15 1:30.41
L2 3:15-4:51 1:36.04
L3 4:51-6:20 1:28.26
L4 6:20-7:49 1:28.8
L5 7:49-9:29 1:40.53
L6 9:29-10:57 1:27.62
L7 10:57-12.27 1:29.9
L8 12:26-13:55 1:28.41(this is one of the interval you stated falsely as 13:53)
Another interval you stated 9:37-10:05 time was 1:27.61.Given above statement I doubt about the rate how you measure lap times.

If anyone else disagrees with my times and intervals state it.But sadly what people say about you seems to be true.

And also the spa times you posted in the link seems to be too slow for the cars tested there so that comparison can't be used.Also bac mono at spa wasn't run in ideal conditions ,the track looked moist in the video.

 

Which is now a proven fact.

1) Braking.

2) HL Mode endurance.

 

It amuses me what people pay for these. Reminds me of the housing market in early 2008.

 

Makes it highly questionable. The fact is that familiarity with a car breeds good lap times. The harder a car is to drive (think 900-1000hp, turbocharged and RWD), the longer it takes to learn. The easier it is to drive (think AWD hybrid) the faster you can go with little experience, which is probably why Whoopsy loves his 918. So magazine tests are in the 918's favour. And BTW the 918 lost twice with magazine testers (Chris Harris and Evo Trofeo R lap).

Try 9:37-11:04 - 1:27. And even 1:27.62 is faster than GTR's 1:27.7, so you just proved yourself wrong, well done, at least admit it. And wrong about slower than Murcielago, 1:28.6.
Goodwood lap times - FastestLaps.com

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145223737-post21553.html

And no, you can't measure any more accurately than seconds. IMO those timings have changed since I looked at them yesterday, which is the problem with using YT timers. Today the timer actually stuck at 13:53 and then jumped to 13:55 the first time I watched. But again, these are effectively consecutive race laps, not qualifying laps, so you can easily subtract a few seconds. But again, very bad practice measuring times from YT timer, as I found out.

And again, Goodwood is a very fast track, so the Mono suffers.

Look at 2:12-2:32. 2:20 lap of Spa in P1 GTR with passenger and bit of traffic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Y1uKf8-Gk

For reference:
http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/2%20-SPA/opencarrera1.pdf

No dude, it's just that a car with only 280hp does not like it much above 100mph. To a thinking man, that would be obvious.

 

Look I know that 918 lost to P1 on trofeo r and I have no issue with the result.And 918 is faster than P1 on some tracks.But the thing is that you are trying to prove that 918 is an inferior car to P1.

Regarding good wood laps I just lapped the 1st 5 laps before you mentioned the intervals with YouTube timer so the time was 1:29.Then when I measured all laps with a stopwatch I realised I was wrong.

Good wood may be a fast track but so is nurburgring and a KTM Xbow RR does 7:25 and is supposed to be slower than BAC Mono.Also good wood has pretty fast corners so having good cornering speeds is useful there.

I also don't have any issue with P1 GTR doing 2:20 with or without a passenger.It is a track day car so I am not surprised with the time.But what surprised me is that it is slower than a GT3 car and an F1 GTR LT,F1 GTR when circuit was a bit more bumpier.And it is also 3s slower than GT3 car at Laguna Seca.I don't know why people buy it when GT3 car is faster at cheaper price.

 

Not at all, only that its battery doesn't last as long in HL Mode. The people saying the P1 is faster on track days also say the 918 is better on the road too.

That's called going off half-cocked. And you should also note that 1:27 comes after about 6 laps, so you can be sure that's not the same as going out on fresh tyres and doing one lap. And an incorrect statement is incorrect regardless.

But considering how fast these cars are on slower tracks, don't you think 7:25 isn't actually that fast, especially when driven by a GT3/ADAC GT Masters/Blancpain champion? The R version with 60hp less and 45kg more was faster than the Gumpert Apollo Sport (7:11 on 'ring) on Bedford.
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008) lap times - FastestLaps.com

You notice this with a lot of these featherweight cars. Great under braking and in corners but as the speed grows, the hp deficit shows.

Because the P1 GTR was set up to be easier to drive than the GT3 car, more stable, less easy to turn. The GT3 is considerably faster in the corners and under braking but on a fast track like Spa, the P1 GTR is faster (when you factor out the passenger and traffic) simply because the hp is higher. At Spa vs P1 GTR, the GT3 suffers a similar problem to the BAC Mono 2.3 at Goodwood - lack of hp.

 

Whoopsy will be getting very annoyed shortly and the cry babies will be crying foul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYqHBqcWU6U

 

Lol,
How desperate you are... But nope, I think that most of us will say kudos to Lamborghini for doing 7.52 and will move on...
But also will be very interested to see more real life tests afterwards...

 

I've posted a dozen times on this website how the exact time at the 'Ring is irrelevant. Some will never understand that. I hope most do.

 

No, most people will say it isn't legit or standard and rant.