'Official' F12M Rumours and Launch

Still waiting for more real world pics....although I think I have seen enough to know that imo the F12B is aesthetically a more beautiful flowing design than the Manzoni 812SF. Thanks Pinn.

 

Colour?

 

Giallo at first, but hopefully few others shortly after.

 

After many comments about the past (pininfarina) and the present (in house) design results of our beloved marque I want to state my thought. I think that such a conversation would have a meaning before 20 and more years back, when at 'PININFARINA SPA' were designers or members of the company, who were inspired by the heritage of the original Carozzeria. I'am talking about members of the family, Sergio the son of the founder and Andrea the grandson. Ι agree that at that time the designs of PININFARINA were among the best and ferraris were no less than beautiful and elegant. Nowadays we are talking for a company in which there are many young designers who don't have the talent nor the Knowledge of the legacy. In my opinion the in house design team understands better the philosophy of a new model sooner or later the latest models will be well estimated.

 

excellent points. Thanks.

 

You can have no family members in an ex-family company and still have excellent management, which can recruit accordingly. I think Pininfarina is still one of the world's top design companies and the move by Ferrari to design in-house dealt a heavy blow to their future, which is a shame. I'd still love to see a 100% Pininfarina design on Ferrari cars as I think it would be less confused than the in-house efforts currently coming out. I'm warming up to the 812, especially after seeing real life pictures of it, but I still think the F12 is a better design. Time will tell, but remember that time has been quite generous to most Pininfarina designs.

 

I am not talking about managment.I am talking about talent from particular people that today doesn't exist any more because these people are gone.There are many ferraris designed by pininfarina that are not among the best ex.612.Anyway I will wait to see some real life photos of 812 but I have a feeling that these car screams future.

 

Management is crucial to find talent that respects the legacy that you mentioned. One does not go without the other. Once thigs are designed they are there for all to see and study. It's the beauty of this particular practice, you can teach it - legacy included. Unless you're saying only people with direct genetic ties to the family in question have the talent to design, which is sort of......limiting.

 

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it looks good, but I cant see Italian voluptuous design and that bothers me quite substantially.

 

With all due respect, this is totally wrong.
There is an abundance of young design talent out there.
It's management that makes the decisions regardless at Ferrari or Pininfarina.
Design is people who make up any design organization. Senior management call the shots.
Mr. Manzoni is leading Ferrari Design admirably in my opinion. Which is no easy task.
Could Pininfarina do better.........I'm not sure, but it would be different, that's for sure.
Each design team has their own philosophy/direction.

 

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Pininfarina house First Ferrari car design was launched in 1951 and since than they've sketched dozens of Ferraris. Ferrari success is intimately associated with Pininfarina superb designs which have always been done by teams of very skilled designers which through many decades absorbed the Ferrari design culture and applied it model after model. Pininfarina house has nothing to prove in terms of Ferrari cars design they've achieved everything that's possibly achievable and their master pieces are perpetual.

Ferrari house design team and the chief designer Flavio Manzoni who took the job in 2010, independently of their talent and will, are in their early beginnings and their achievements when compared with what Pininfarina House has already attained can't even be compared . Curiously Flavio Manzoni in a long interview given to Designboom in 2014 when asked about the F12 Berlinetta didn't say a single word about Pininfarina contribution and kind of put all the merits on himself and his team. However anyone that looks at the F12 identifies immediately the Pininfarina elegance and lines and despite of what Manzoni doesn't say the hand of the master is all over the berlinetta body.

Manzoni and the Ferrari design team wanted to be the future introducing aesthetics that clearly move away from some of the Pininfarina design concepts. They are already starting to be judge on the models they've designed on their own and probably in a decade a balance will be made. For the future of Ferrari brand I wish them a great success but independently of how much they achieve Pininfarina house will be intemporal.

 

I don't think Pininfarina had as much to do with the F12 as you think despite the badge in the side (which was probably a gesture from Ferrari). The 458 is the last real Pinin car.

Despite this ongoing debate, when I look at the homogenous evolutionary and iterative designs coming from most car manufacturers which are quite boring - at least Ferrari had the guts to keep pushing forward. And the number of posts about the designs is testament to this. People dislike change - so new models take time to get used to. This is healthy progress.


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I'm sorry but that's not correct and I'll give you just one example and there many more.
The Aero bridge used in the F12 which improves down force and aerodynamics simultaneously is a break through an invention designed by Pininfarina house….

 

"The 82-year excellence of Pininfarina design was also reflected at Geneva in a new, extraordinary Ferrari, the F12berlinetta, penned by Pininfarina in cooperation with the Maranello Style Centre."

FERRARI 152 < Pininfarina


Do hope Ferrari keep Pininfarina involved in the future, their designs seem to be more timeless with less fussy styling.

 

Maybe the Bd. of directors should be involved with the final design decisions now that the company is public ?

 

that's the last thing they need is number crunchers deciding design direction

 

I'am only saying that as long as the design is no more a matter of the old famous designers, there isn't much difference. Of course I believe that pininfarina is part of ferrari history not because there were a brilliant management (as you can see from how this company was a step before bankruptcy) but because some very talented designers were there.

The Designer&#8217;s Story: Battista Pininfarina &bull; Petrolicious

 

I think it's safe to say that ship has sailed.

PF now belongs to Mahindra. VW were smart enough to buy Italdesign (largely a defensive move). FCA may one day rue the day they didn't buy PF.

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That bothers me too. A lot. On the one hand, we are all passionate about Ferrari and we have been exposed to the great designs of past models. So we become used to certain things. Maybe it was time for a change. Its hard for enthusiasts to know because we usually want to repeat the things we love. However, sometimes the hard decision to make the change is required. I don't know if that is true here. But it has happened.

Agreed. Again, we might find out the changes were for the best, but we also lost the influence of LDM. So its losing two important influences and links to the heritage.

Yes, this is still a mystery to me why Ferrari didn't just buy PF. And I believe this decision was made under LDM so its not like Mr. Marchionne made the call. I figured they could then have the benefit of the link to PF and the people at PF, continued to use the PF badge on their cars. But it did not happen and I have to agree with jm2 that Mr. Manzoni is doing a pretty good job.

I'm just not yet so sure how I feel on the 812, but thats life.

 

The splitter was black on the grey car.

 

Excellent.

 

I must agree with you, maybe we are too critical! Time will tell if we were wrong since we insisted on "Italian" design touches.

 

depends who is on the Bd. (ie: Ferrari family members) A good bd approves/sign's off on multi million $$$ decisions.