Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Nah, I'm ruining the spirit of misinformation with proven facts.

 

Your manipulation of facts to make yourself happy was at first interesting with your thought process, but its just old and sad now. Enjoy your basement

 

Lol,
Another desperate attempt from you…
Yes, I saw back then a ticket from a dyno test, but it was too good to be true. Not to mention two things:
1. Chassis dynos are not as accurate as engine ones;
2. Latter in 2014 SA also proved, that 918’s aren’t easy to be measured, due to its complicated powertrain…
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With respect to what? The Sebring laps which show how the 918 only last 1 full lap in HL Mode? The graphs Ben Sloss posted from Laguna showing the same thing? The 918 strangely being slower than Huracan and performante on Balocco and Nordschleife, which seems to back up the same thing? All a coincidence?

 

I only read Livens bs was his quoted and I still cannot stand the guy. He's so desperate and pathetic it makes me uncomfortable almost.

 

Kind of irrelevant really, Apolo's 918 is several mph faster than other 918s at Vmax. Doesn't mean it's tweaked, just that it's a very strong example relative to others.

 

Have you tried a recliner chair?

 

So it could also imply that they haven't pushed any car to their absolute limit,just driving for fun.So it doesn't qualify them for opinion.I also told why 24 hr lap can't be used for nordschleife time.

Bac Mono's spa lap was done in moist track like F1s time at tsukuba so that doesn't mean it is slower there.Also just because a racing driver doesn't wear gloves doesn't mean he isn't pushing the car at limit.I could also claim the same for Tiff at good wood.Here is video for Mono at spa
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IZMSoQJlSSw

Yeah they are newer vs older cars but just because car is older doesn't mean it is slower we have F1 faster then ZR1 at estoril and faster than GTR at goodwood,EB110 GT holding Nurburgring record for 10 yes,it was faster than XJ220 by 2s,then Ford GT40 setting an impressive time at TG for its age,F40 being significantly faster than XJ220 at mireval,etc

Also if expensive cars are to be hated then diablo was slower than NSX of its time around track so that car is to be hated using your logic.And also new NSX beats Enzo,CGT at Vairano and also beats 458 Italia around some track.

I will try to locate the interview regarding that.IIRC he said around average track.By the way it doesn't change the fact that P1 GTR was significantly slower than its predecessor ie F1 GTR.Shorttail GTR 1996 should lap 3% slower according to Murray in driving ambition,1995 should again lap 3% slower than 1996 version in same condition.I have read people in many forums claiming that with slicks P1 would eat F1 GTR and a GT3 car around a track and many non sense assumptions.Then I read P1 GTR would absolutely demolish a GT3 car in top gear forum and P1 LM is faster than F1 GTR in Road and Track.....

I recall you claiming sandbagging in Salomondrin Test,a test at Silverstone,Laguna Seca.

 

Well then i have something good for you.
Porsche went 10.40 @ 140. Ferrari was slower but trapped higher
https://youtu.be/eT9T0fKC8q8

 

Why is this for me? Lol

 

Its probably one of the few things in recent time thats actually relevant to the threads name.

 

I guess so. I'm over this thread though. It's ruined. I'm still interested in owners impressions of their cars but nobody posts about that anymore. People only post on here to respond to the idiot and then he responds back and it's a game where no one wins. If I win the lottery I'll buy all three and post here for you all to reclaim the honor of this thread

 

Seriously dude, another day, another member engaged you and telling you to just shut up and go.

If you even have half a brain, you would have noticed you are not welcomed in here. All you do daily is antagonizing someone.

We don't want you, period.

Please take you garbage posts, useless links or out right lies else where.

You have no 'proven' facts, all you have are twisted tales and quotes taken out of context.

As for your links to FastestLaps, hmm aren't those times entered by you yourself there? And they may or maybe even be in the same configurations as others under the same conditions?

You are just one scheming liar, nothing more. We all know your agenda, to show the P1 is actually the fastest, but it is proven it is not. In some circumstances it is, while in others it is not. Everyone has no problem with that, why do you?

 

Mysterious LaFerrari hits the patent office

 

It is so obvious that mycroft is a troll and his only goal is a hatchet job on the 918. He does not care about P1 or he would not have thrown it under the bus with his mindless P1LM nonsense. He will take every opportunity to knock the 918, using lambos, 675LT, even tires as his personal war on the 918 continues. Pathetic.

I strongly encourage everyone to to use the ignore feature setting and not respond to anymore of his garbage and he will eventually fade away.

 

could that be the MC12 successor that's been rumoured or the lightweight laferari that's been rumoured?

 

Also isn't that P1 LM only 6 in number.So I don't think it qualifies as a production car.

And also that Balocco times seem very suspicious to me.There is no way that a CGT is only 1s slower than 918 unless configuration was different.

 

Doubtful re: MC12 successor. No Maserati design language anywhere. More likely SP car based on the LaFerrari.

 

I don't think you can judge that from a lap driven in a Mono with no racesuit. You're desperately reaching. I also don't think they'd give a verdict unless they had pushed a car.

No, it was just slow because Spa is a fast track and the Mono's acceleration suffers at high speeds. Think you got the wrong video there.

Judging by the GTR lap at Estoril, the ZR1 lap is a bad lap. The F1 generally wasn't a good on track performer in standard road trim. The suspension was too sloppy and very low downforce and it was deliberately designed that way for comfort. The XJ220 wasn't generally well received when it came out either. I doubt you'll succeed in changing many people's opinion on the LFA and NSX MkII but you're welcome to try.

There's very little record of what tyres these old cars had on or who drove them, so the times aren't necessarily comparable. However, the NSX has been wearing Trofeo Rs in most recent tests. The new NSX is on Trofeo Rs against an Enzo, which is more than a decade older than it and probably on old PZeros or something. You don't seem to understand how to produce a similar comparison. An NSX being slower than a GTR, is like if a GTR had been slower than an Impreza P1 or something.

And the F1 GTR was significantly slower than its 1980s Group C predecessors if you want to make completely stupid comparisons. The P1 GTR was not a proper race car.

The driver admitted sandbagging in that test, ask kingjr9000. FFS Salomondrin is so annoying that the US is even building a wall to keep him out.

 

It's funny but the more lies you've told, the more you accuse me of lying, just for pproving you wrong.

300kph braking in 150m, in reply to statement that GT speed check was at 200m, to prove braking point was after speed check.

4 consecutive laps - proven wrong by lap timer, then claim 4 non-consecutive laps which would be irrelevant to a discussion on battery life.

HL Mode in 918 lasts forever on track. Where 'forever' is now just over 2 minutes.

 

2.5s actually. And yeah, it's possible if 918's battery runs out and it's reduced to 612hp with 1680kg to lug about part way through.

There is no formal stipulation on the quantity required for a production car, only what is required for homologation in a given series in a given year (which varies). Otherwise the One:1 certainly isn't a production car and nor is the Zonda 760RS, or the MSO HS, or the F1 LM.

 

No at Spa I showed the correct video,moist asphalt can be clearly seen in the video.And you yourself admitted track conditions can effect lap times.

Regarding Estoril times you should know that it is a track with slow corners with the exception of a corner before gancho and aryton senna corner.The circuit also suffers from low grip and bumpy surface.Also if you say that F1 was slow on circuit,its good wood lap says otherwise.Regarding Tsukuba lap it was done on moist/damp track and weather wasn't ideal as accepted by BM on Facebook.Judging from other laps BM clocked in similar condition in 90s F1 might be faster by 2s at minimum not to mention that it did only 1 hot lap.Sure it can't beat newer cars but compared to other 90s car,it is a good track car.Also F1 wasn't allowed to be tested extensively after the promotion was done through commercials.Downforce value was already explained in my older comment.

Comparing F1 GTR to group C cars depend on which year of the car you are comparing to if you are referring to 1983 era cars then I am sorry F1 GTR LT was faster at spa by around 0.5s,if you compare to cars like Sauber C9 it is another story.1992 group c cars are way faster.1982 Group C is slower.

Anyway why am I comparing P1 GTR to F1 GTR?It is just due to hype they created about the car and they also claimed that P1 is 10s faster than Huayra at TG track.......

Now the reason XJ220 wasn't well received in the 90s was only due to recession.

Regarding LFA and NSX,no they aren't bad cars.New NSX is faster than new GTR at hockenheim.And no enzo is not on Pzero tires it is on Bridgestone Potenza tires.Now if you are speaking of LFA,it was slow at TG only due to wet track in dry I think it would be faster by 5s.Also older NSX was faster than Diablo at track,doesn't make people hate diablo right?

 

Do you have the date when the CGT was tested,if it was on or before 2004,the circuit had a bit faster chicane.Also in other circuits CGT struggles to beat an M4 GTS so it can't be suddenly around 8s faster

Well I don't consider them to be production cars.They are just special edition road legal cars for me.By the way F1 LM can be easily viewed on McLarens site,it is literally the road going GTR which won LeMans with 80hp more.

 

Sigh. Some of us will just never learn.

 

3:29 - looks dry. Lap at 4:26 also looks dry. Why are you so keen to avoid just acknowledging that hp will affect laps times on faster tracks? It's a known fact. Some of the cars ahead of it aren't even driven by pros. The 430S and ZR1 laps were also in the damp IIRC but neither were consider wet enough for a 'w' or 'd' marking, just as per the Mono. You brought the lap up in the first place to have a go at someone's driving abilities and when I proved you wrong you moved the goal posts and claimed the drivers (both of them) weren't trying when they reached conclusions about the P1 vs 918. Very disingenuous. I don't know how fast the Mono would be at Goodwood with a factory driver of a similar standard to the LFA's driver, i.e. Oli Webb but the fact is that Goodwood is a fast track and hp will be a factor counting against the Mono. You can even see that in the video at 9:40. There's just no way of keeping up to that 650S on the WOT parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31xIErREy2A&t=575s

I said it was relatively slow on track. The F1 Evo used was modified. Yeah true, I'll give you that, compared to '90s stuff it was fast on track, simply because the power-to-weight was so frickin' high that no other car could compete, except maybe a Dauer 962, but it wasn't as fast as CGT on track and certainly wouldn't match a C6 ZR1 regardless of what 1 lap time seems to suggest. The ZR1 was 8s faster than the same GTR on VIR (pre-2014), 3s faster on Laguna, and 2s faster on Hockenheim Short and Magny-Cours Club. A lot of these times were on MPS2s as well, not Cups.

Late '80s Group C was faster too. Nissan R89C etc. All depends on what the regs of the race are, however the P1 GTR was never designed for competition racing, so comparing it to an F1 GTR is ridiculous.

On Trofeo Rs it might well be 10s faster than a Huayra on regular road tyres, which the Huayra that lapped Top Gear certainly was not on. I would certainly expect >5s. After all, on road legal tyres, the Huayra was slower than the 458 at Anglesey and not much faster than a GT3 at Blyton.

Pagani Huayra laptimes, specs, performance data - FastestLaps.com

Oh wow, all manufacturers hype cars. FFS, Ferrari claimed a 1255kg dry weight (1360kg kerb) and a 9.6s quarter at 157mph. And 15s 0-300kph. Meanwhile, we have 2 customer cars running 11s and weighing 1586kg. So why people focus on McLaren's advertising (which is honestly subjective and depends on the driver), we have Ferrari clearly BSing easily measurable figures and nobody says anything. Hypocrisy much?

No it's slower at Hockenheim, 550ps GTR - 1:09.6. 530ps 1:10. 0.7s faster than 485ps - 1:10.7. And the NSX is on damn Trofeo Rs vs 10 year-old Dunlops! So slower than any of them tyre for tyre.
Hockenheim Short lap times - FastestLaps.com

And Bridgestone Potenza is hardly fast compared to Trofeo Rs is it? Or the MPSS on the 458.

I call a pig a pig. The LFA was a massively hyped £350k Japanese supercar struggling to beat a £50-60k coupe from another Japanese manufacturer. It was originally hyped to weight <3000lbs kerb and have 600hp. Ended up weighing >3500lbs with 552hp. Now imagine if an MSO HS was struggling to beat an Evora V6 and you see why I call it a pig. Long list of lap times here, all pathetic, with the exception of the Goodwood lap, which was probably the work of a highly skilled, very familiar pro driver vs magazine testers.

Lexus LFA laptimes, specs, performance data - FastestLaps.com