Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Submitted 2007 if that helps.
Porsche Carrera GT laptime at Balocco - FastestLaps.com

All to do with magazine testers and conditions to an extent. First Bedford pre-2014 lap CGT made 1:23.3, but made 1:19.7 on pre-2008 config. 997 GT3 tested same day showed a time difference of only 0.7s.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/bedford-autodrome-west-circuit-post-06-2008
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/bedford-autodrome-west-circuit-2004-06-2008

So magazine tests are a bit like that TV advert. Yeah more or less, give or take a few seconds etc.

Well I regard a car that's been produced, and doesn't have aftermarket modifications as a production car, special edition or not. Otherwise you could rule out pretty much any car arbitrarily based on where you decide to draw the number at.

 

better video for times
https://youtu.be/tOzPv3E-wk4

 

At 1:55 track looks moist at spa in exterior view.Also you tried to move the goal post by bringing up spa times.Also I found similar outcomes in other lap times in his YouTube channel.A 991 GT3 only 7s faster than Civic type r at Silverstone.So this does indeed tell that Whoopsy and others weren't miss guiding about performances.

Look I know Evo F1 was modified but the lap wasn't perfect.Besides its good wood lap of 1:24 suggests that it can do better than 1:21.2 if driven correctly.F1 vs CGT depends on track used.At good wood test by Evo F1 was said to be faster.At Nurburgring test by Autobild they said that it was a tie although both tests didn't release lap times.And if you compare Dauer 962 let me be very clear it will destroy the F1,that car is literally a road going Group C car with 40% down force of 962LM.Also look at good wood lap I timed,F1 may do fine on faster tracks.

I was comparing NSX to 57Ohp GTR which only did 1:11s.Now like I said estoril is a slow track and it favours AWD cars.Also not to mention that Autofoco had tested GTR on several occasions.Besides even 480hp GTR is faster at Tsukuba than ZR1.

You call LFA a pig but it doesn't change the fact that LFA lapped TG track in wet conditions.Also not to mention it beat ZR1 at Autobild Nurburgring test.Nonetheless Lexus never claimed LFA is fastest track car.

If P1 is 10s faster than Huayra then shouldn't it be faster than a GT1 car which only did 1:08.I also don't like the fact that ferrari lied about weight but atleast it didn't claim insane performance figures.

Hope this is my last post.

 

No, your original premise was to point out that the driver wasn't very good. That was proven wrong. Whether he tried full out at Goodwood I don't know. But here is a very very good driver in a Mono at Snetterton and on this day he's not much faster than a 991 GT3, factoring out the few second behind the car and factoring in incomplete lap. You can't judge jack from one track day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-HtlW-9NeM
Snetterton 300 lap times - FastestLaps.com

The Blyton Park times also show it not much faster than a GT3. Average speed ~90mph. It all depends on the track and/or conditions.

Blyton Park Circuit lap times - FastestLaps.com

Dude FFS, the guys are 1-2s slower than some of the best GT drivers on the planet in the GT Open as I've shown. Whoopsy is a rank amateur by comparison. They also own all 3. So you listen to Whoopsy if you like, but I'm going to take the word of pro-level owners on the matter. I brought up Spa to show how fast tracks affect low hp cars. I've already disproved your original point on drivers by linking the GT Open lap times. They're not slow, you were wrong, the end.

And for your information, on some tracks the FK2 is only 7-8s slower than the 991 GT3 RS on some tracks, e.g. Sachsenring. And the FK2 Silverstone lap was driven by a 3 times BTCC Champion, who won driving, guess what? A Honda Civic. And did you see the traffic on the RS lap?
Porsche 911 GT3 RS vs Honda Civic Type R - FastestLaps.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Neal

So again, nice try.

And Evo said specifically in one Issue that the F1 would only be faster than a CGT on a track consisting of two very long straights. June 2004.

So you deliberately picked a duff time instead of 3 perfectly good ones? And ignored the Trofeo Rs. I could show you a time where the LT appears to be as slow as a 650S.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nurburgring-gp-3-7-km

Yeah and Autobild Nurburgring test is like give or take 20s. The factory times show the LFA to be slower. All the NSX times are crap, except for the one by Graham Rahal at Thermal, when compared with Salomondrin's junk times.... surprise surprise.

You don't know what time a Huayra would run with road legal tyres on TG.

 

I think you aren't comprehending anything correctly.And By the way I used the GTR time on a slow track as estoril is said to be by racingdrivers so it isn't cherry picking.It was criticised for lack of grip on asphalt by racing drivers.So I don't see why am I blamed.

Silverstone is a more than 2min track and at estoril 991 GT3 was more than 10s faster.So 7s difference is pretty low.And the lap times does show that he isn't used to low downforce of road cars so you didn't disproved me.

And if F1 is faster than CGT on tracks with 2 long straight,then that is a good news for me as then it would be faster at Monza,nurburgring,etc.And by the way it was only said that CGT would be faster only at tight track.At good wood they clearly said F1 was faster especially when surface is bumpy.By the way good wood lap is around 4s slower than Bedford on average if performed by magazine driver.So I think F1 can do better.Not to mention they said the word maybe which indicates they were just guessing at Evo F1 vs CGT.

Especially when considering its lap time at good wood,estoril,Tsukuba(damp,1lap).
Also I don't think CGT can break 1:03.5 barrier at tsukuba especially when comparing its lap on tight tracks while F1 can as said by BM and according to lap time gains of other car lapping similar condition.

2017 GTR is even slower than 550hp GTR.Also NSX never claimed to be fast track car.

And LFA did around 7:24 with factory driver according to one Autoweek article IIRC which was faster than ZR1s first run.You can say LFA is bad track car as much as you want.

And also comparing an F1 GTR to P1 GTR isn't like comparing Group C to F1 GTR and not to mention gap betweem them was less than gap between F1 GTR and P1 GTR.And in what way is Group C a predecessor to GT1 class,But F1 is predecessor to P1 and so is F1 LM predecessor to P1 LM and so is GTR.And mclaren also released video to show that P1 GTR was faster than F1 GTR.Also when comparing isn't F1 VTR to be compared to top class racer of 79s as P1 GTR is around 20yrs newer than F1 GTR.Also not to mention GC cars had more than 900hp for qualifying while F1 GTR is down on power than even F1 and by 300hp on P1 GTR.

Finally I can now understand why people are ignoring you and are disputing your claims.I also understand why no one trusts you,Discussing with you just felt like talking with someone full of rage and then accusing someone is lying when things don't come in your favour.

I think Jo Sta,Westview,Zlaatan etc were right in suggesting to ignore you.

 

akira iida mentioned that the standard LFA was 7 seconds slower on the ring compared to the NE, which puts it at 7:21, put on a pair of stickier Cup 2s and it would break the 7:20 barrier (the potenza 001s and RE070s aren't the stickiest of tyres)

on top gear test track the rule is that wet=3s

 

Thanks for the info.LFA is indeed a good track car.by the way I disagree with their lap time reduction as Murcielago was more than 3 s faster when track was not even completely wet.

But beaware Lieven may spin his head trying to prove that you are lying,cherry picking the data,etc.But I can see from the comments that he is trying very hard to gain trust in FL and once he does that he will return to his true self.Hahaha

 

correction: wet was 4 seconds
i'm just using the general rule which you can find on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track#Time_deductions

yes he has a tendency to twist facts in his favour, but i've had an argument against someone who said that the ZR1 is cheaper and faster than the LFA therefore it is better and having an argument with somone who refuses to look at both sides of the argument is exhausting so i'm not doing that again

 

I really didn't want to get myself involved in this treadmill, but I couldn't help it in the end. The LF has been clocked at 9.7s for the 1/4 mile at 149 mph. Also it did 9.8s for the 150 mph, which bonds well for a 15s time for the 186 dash. I have never seen them claiming a trap speed of 157 mph though, and the manual states the kerb weight at a bit less than 1600 kg (1575 if I am not mistaken).

 

LOL, I see you are still trying to stick something on me to make you look less bad.

Nice try though, no none else but you think it wasn't a typo. You can keep repeating that another million times and it would still not be true.

Andrew made 4 laps total, 2 before the recorded 2 laps. No one else said anything else but you. You are trying to desperately to pin something there to savage your non-existent creditability. You are welcome to ask him the other details.

If you are not such a bad person, I would have said I would let you drive my 918 on the track and see if you can make it NOT last forever.

You really poses no challenge to me, keep repeating the same stuff that no one believe but you.

can you try something new? Perhaps you can talk to Andrew and post your own messages with him to refute me.

 

Whoopsy,
It would be great if you could set up a hypercar showdown at Area 27 this summer! It looks like an amazing track! But I guess your car wouldn't make it to the track since the batteries would die...LOL

 

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any info on that LFA "nurburgring edition" time? The 7:14 one. Is it legit?

 

I'm pretty sure the wheels come off before that, if you do more than one Ring lap's distance.

 

The video is on youtube and the car that set the laptime had a roll cage for safety

 

Well that means Mr Liar would say that car is not stock and the time should be excluded. just like he said of the record setting 918 with a one piece roof. haha

 

Haha, if we use his logic my car probably can't make it out of pit lane lol


Anyway, my car actually won't be in Canada for the whole summer. I am planning to ship it to Europe, 918 Spyder Circle has 3 events that I want to do with my own car, one track event at Hockenheim, and 2 driving events at South of France and the Italian Alps.

Funny how all he wants to do is bench racing on the internet, while real owners couldn't care less and do real world driving instead.

 

he can't change many peoples opinions, but jeremy clarkson can, which he did:
https://i.imgur.com/owxfiwV.png

 

Didn't Lieven said that Good wood is all about straight line speed?Anyway I have proved him wrong by playing by his rules.Ariel Atom 3 lapped 2.4s faster than LFA tested by Auto week,.2s faster thay time tested by Akira Ida and 1.7s faster than F1.Lap time I timed was 1:22.4(5:57-7:19) on R888 GG and SG tires which are semi slicks.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kP4hN2RHKGQ

 

According to him aren't we all supposed to be liars and only he is the one who speaks truth.And I love the fact that when we make a mistake it is a lie and harasses us on that but when he makes a it is always an honest mistake.

 

The guys a moron fellas.

 

Where is the the Jennifer Clarkson T-shirt?

Oh wait never mind, they changed the bet to blowing up his house and it was done.

 

Only way he knows how to survive on the internet, deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect, change subject, change goal post, change whatever to fit what he wants to say even when everything contradict everything he ever posted.

Win at all cost. (like any 5 year old on arguments, he who says the last word wins)

 

I'd rather have my house blown up than change my name to Jennifer. Think back to 2014 for a second. Really nobody thought the 918 had a chance against a P1. It's a supreme over achiever. Typical Porsche though.

 

You didn't get the memo?

He changed the goal post again. The Atom doesn't qualify as a valid car anymore. It doesn't have full fenders, there is no roof, etc. And the most important, it is not made by McLaren!

 

just pick any random page before laptimes started rolling in, lets say page 250 and see how everybody predicts that the 918 would be the slowest

and then mclaren begins to act like ferrari at which point a lot of people lose faith in it being faster than the 918, then there was the EVO angelsey laptime were they CAME BACK with a stickier tyre after losing (and 918 w/o roof)