Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Yeah, i read that, ad that it also weighted an addition 110lbs. So it probably weighted about 3700lbs, which is not that far off the SV and AMG GT R. So its not hard for me to see those two post the times they did on the current set of tires that are out. It would be interesting to see the LFA go back on current-gen tires and see what it sets. The Performante becomes even more believable if the LFA is legit.

 

Do you remember that Merc hypercar's engine discussion? From someone on RT, who's not getting one, but they are getting info:

Ok guys - more news:

price will be 2.75 € plus Tax
275 cars will be build
delivery in 2019
1.6 Ltr engine
first service at 50.000km
more to come

 

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Wow, Leo needs to spend some money on driving lessons!

 

That price is too high!! I hear customers aren't liking the price. Difficulty getting them all sold.

 

It's amazing from this overhead view how much more exotic Looking the LAF is compared to the 918.

 

How much more will the Aston Reb Bull be then? Jeez!

 

Im surprised. Its only about $300k more than the Chiron. It seems more like brand whores/names make all the difference in this case.

 

About 2.8M euro, and 3m GBP

 

Yeah, you are cherry picking, I've shown you an entire racing season worth of results in a professional competition for the two drivers in question and instead you you decide to use 1 lap time.

And do you not see the traffic at the end of the Silverstone lap for the GT3 RS. The car he gained on from out of nowhere. So easy few seconds there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDtLvJ9LiL4&t=235s

So you compare a lap with traffic with a GT3 RS against a lap performed by a factory driver whose won the BTCC 3 times for Honda in a Civic Type-R FK-2, i.e. probably one of the quickest people in that specific car in the entire world. In the same FK2 how far behind that guy would your average magazine tester be? But no, you're not being selective at all. And besides 10s is roughly what you get when you scale up the Sachsenring delta, so 7s + 3s for traffic, against a Civic BTCC champion at his peak.

You're actually right on the F1 looking back, but I'm sure I saw that comment somewhere else, possibly another magazine. What time did the F1 and CGT post at Goodwood?

No, you've been highly selective in disputing whether a driver can drive well or not. I gave you an entire season worth of results in a professional GT racing competition against the top GT pro racers, showing them to be 1-2s behind, and instead you looked at 1 time on Goodwood vs a factory driver in an LFA and then another one with traffic on Silverstone against a factory driver, multi-BTCC champion in a Type-R FK2 with no traffic on a different day. Hardly a balanced comparison. Besides that, you don't really even know how fast a pro would be with a Mono on Goodwood, or how much the driver was trying that day. So your argument is nonsense, with zero grounding. Then you used all this crap to assume that their opinion was invalid, well sorry it isn't, it's your argument that is invalid. How far behind a pro factory driver is a mag tester? >4s in this instance in an ACR. So add that 4s to the 7s plus the 3s for traffic and there's 14s.

Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) lap times - FastestLaps.com

No, it's even worse, because the P1 GTR wasn't designed for pro-racing, the F1 GTR was. Given that even the road-going LM weighs 60kg less than a P1 GTR and with 40% more DF, and making the same hp on pump gas with a 4.0 engine, do you seriously think the P1 GTR is intended to be as fast as possible? You're comparing two different categories of cars entirely. So yes, Group C vs F1 GTR shows how ridiculous that comparison is. I wasn't aware of any such video? And down 440kg on weight. A P1 GTR built for the same purposes at the F1 GTR would weigh a maximum of 1200kg, have at least as much DF as a P1 LM and tyres 40+mm wider at the front and 20+ at the rear, have a 4.0 or even 4.2L engine and another 100+hp and probably have brake regen working in co-op with brake steer too.

Well I understand why the last person gave up on you too, you are highly selective with facts and never admit when you are wrong, like I did with the F1 for instance. You would be unable to do that, because something inside you wouldn't allow it. Even when all the facts, like an entire season of pro times in a pro series, tell you you're wrong. This is because you are like Whoopsy. Dishonest coated in a barrage of half-facts.

It would honestly be my pleasure if you ignored me because I grow tired of responding to your half-baked arguments.

 

Downhill at Fiorano that time. The slope makes it illegitimate under NHRA rules.

Meanwhile a customer car on the flat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjPN3fX-xD8

And again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9FUAvxsrf0&t=189s

Actual measurement shows 1586kg. They stated 1255kg dry and 1360kg kerb pre-release though.

And no way can it do 15s 0-300kph. Every test has show it to be slower than the P1 under acceleration, especially at high speed. The P1 is a second quicker 150-186mph, and it only claimed 16.8s 0-300kph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H43_lkBkGkg&t=345s

 

Still with the diffusion. How many laps he did in total is and was irrelevant to the debate on battery life in HLM, if they were not consecutive. I mean, seriously, would it be relevant to mention how many laps he did the year before? After the first lot, the lap timer indicates that he pitted, which means he had an in-lap, pit lane crawl for half a mile and out lap to recharge before the laps on the video. And if that isn't enough, then we also have Ben Sloss's graph and comments from the MT test. Meanwhile, evidence for post-production 918 being able to do 4 minutes flat out in HLM.... none. I'm not lying, I'm drawing the only possible conclusion from the evidence.

If you wanted the truth you could have got it from Andrew yourself and posted it, but you asked a half-a55ed question instead, so that you got just enough to spread a little confusion. E.g. "Is it possible...?" Question to someone who is unsure how the system works. Classic strawmanning. If you actually wanted the truth you would simply have asked for it.

 

Actually, it was a 918 fanboy, like yourself, who said the SV time wasn't legit because of the roll-cage.

 

@Lieven
I never admit I was wrong yeah that's why I admitted about Mono being faster than GTR at good wood.And yeah that's why I admitted that Bedford F1 wasn't stock.

By the way Evo didn't release lap times for good wood test which I explained earlier.By the way F1 GTR generates only over 1 ton at its top speed stated by Murray in racecar 1996.
Anyway I already showed Tiff's Good wood time.And no F1 isn't slow on track,the end.

And what you did with F1 for instance?Regarding twisting facts you showed it by telling the evo comment.FYI I am well researched in terms of F1s performance.

And yeah now your arguing with insults,personal attacks by using words like FFS,crap etc.And tell me how it doesn't become a lie when you claimed Alexander Wests time,how it doesn't become a lie when you established Sebring Short on purpose everyone here knows you did it on purpose to avoid comparison.And lastly you showed Salomondrin lap times are bad by showing a highly modified GT4 lap and showing lap of GT3 with unknown specifications.I guess that isn't a lie.

Also you didn't prove me wrong anywhere I only didn't reply to A West comment because I knew it was pointless.Also if you look at your own comment you contradicted yourself.I am sure everyone would have noticed that.

At least for other person I could say that he didn't do enough research about the track by asking official site,etc but unfortunately I cannot say the same for you.You know the fact but you pretend not to.

I also don't like it when people say car A is slow when it isn't thats why I defended LFA and 918 etc when you try to prove that P1 is superior to 918 in all aspects.I have on most tracks
P1 Trofeo>918>LA Ferrari>=P1 Corsas

By the way if you really believe P1 is 10s faster than Huayra,faster than GT1 car,faster than GT3 car at ring,you are free to believe.

And I am not losing my sleep if you think that I cherry pick,lie etc.I cannot data use which is unavailable.And so are many people here not losing their sleep.All you want to cause in forums is give a provocating comment to someone.And yeah I love how lap time improvement can only be done to P1s time and not cars like Agera 1,918,etc and I always notice P1 is sandbagged when it loses and P1 is not driven by a pro driver,bla bla bla.

And also just because a car is faster does not mean it is a better car.And for me F1>P1 inspire of lower performance,Zonda>Huayra because they look better.

Now I think I will really ignore you.

 

And the Atom 3 is slightly faster than a Mono 2.3, so it made a slightly better time. Driver fully kitted out with with telemetry too, so probably high effort. R888 tyres too.
https://www.toyo.co.uk/uploads/image/4490.png

And someone who races lightweight cars professionally.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Monzajp/videos

Now if you want to see how far behind a pro a magazine tester is in a lightweight car, refer to Evo Issue 150, where Roger Green is 4.3s down on a make-specific pro and he too was a pro driver.
https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/roger-green/

So again with your selective BS. And guess what, still isn't as fast as the LFA lap on Bridgestoen Potenzas, so I rest my case.

 

The P1 LM generates almost that much at 150mph and so would the P1 GTR if they wanted to design it that way. If designed for pro-racing like GT1, it would also weigh much less.

If you were honest, you'd just admit that the two drivers in question are very decent drivers who are familiar with the cars and therefore their opinion is valid. Instead, you just make out that it isn't.

And having seen that even a lightweight racing pro isn't as fast as an LFA in a 300hp lightweight on R888s on Goodwood, you would also admit that Goodwood is a power track.

Time this sector starting at 3:00 between International Pits Straight finish line and National Pits Straight finis line. Unfortunately there's traffic on the remainder of the lap for Alex (first video), but the time between these two points is 1:09 for Alex and 1:08 for Oliver Webb, who just happens to be an LMP2 Champion and the BAC factory tester and 'probably the best driver no to have been in F1 yet. Royally screws up your argument about bad driver huh? Brief lift for traffic for Oliver, fine, and GT pass, so maybe take another second (at most) off, still a very good performance. Some damp patches in Alex's lap too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHSFSvRyL4Y&t=180s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Lq0tO4dpQ&t=67s

How fast is Oliver in a Mono?
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hungaroring
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey-international-gp
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/oulton-park-full-circuit
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Lol even GT3 car generates only around 1200kg at 200mph.

And Atom was slightly faster than LFA if you use stopwatch.

 

Best lap I timed was 1:23 and to the second is as accurate as you can time with YT. Anyway, see edit above, your argument on driver quality is royally busted. International Pit finish line to National Pit finish line in BAC Mono, Alex (this time with racesuit) is just 1s slower than Oliver Webb.

P1 LM downforce. 40% more than P1 GTR (660kg at 150mph). So 924kg at 150mph.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a29665/meet-the-mclaren-p1-lm-the-986hp-high-downforce-grocery-getter/

 

Those LF times are slower than customer 458s and a lot slower than customer 488s, thus these "tests" are total BS!!!

 

I have already given the time at time interval of 1:22 lap.By the way even 1:23 lap is faster than magazine time of LFA.Even after pointing out time interval you couldn't do it so it proves you are selective and you didn't prove anything about A West being superior driver as he is 2s slower than champs.And by the way Atom 3 isn't faster than Back Mono.If throwing insult is all you have left then I cannot care enough.And you know something I can show Tiff is a slow driver by cherry picking his lap times in the same way you did with West whom you now dispute on mlife.

I don't believe those down force number as an LMP2 of 2011 generates only 1600kg at 200mph at mulsannecorner site.So P1 LM generates more do wnforce than an LMP2?

Also if timing is done by you I doubt its reliability after seeing your Anglesey time and your estimate for Mono time.And no stop watch is more accurate than YouTube timer.

 

Looks more like 1:23 to me. And sorry, you're looking at someone who races these cars for a living, so not comparable with magazine lap and the LFA is two up and on slower tyres. And again, your argument on drivers has been royally busted anyway. So I don't know why you're still talking about Goodwood laps.

Depends on setup, LMP1 produces more downforce. They are a lot lighter though don't forget and working within regs.

Mulsanne's Corner Race Car Aerodynamics Database: 2011 generic closed top LMP2

F1: 1539kg @ 269km/h ( 1125kg @ 230km/h )
LMP: 1443kg @ 230km/h ( 1974kg @ 269km/h )

 

So watch the speed on the straights here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YPTkBRaOk

There's no way in hell the LaF can get anywhere near 9.6s@157mph or 15s 0-300kph. You could forgive the launch for part of the time maybe, but the trap speeds of customer cars are a whole 15mph down on the claim. And even the factory car is 8mph down going downhill.

 

1:23.xx was with a passenger though.And my argument about driver is royally busted,wow never knew that.You are the only one who thinks that.And about monzajp being pro driver,you have no proof and you are just guessing.At least my logic is better than telling a driver is not pro just because he doesn't wear a helmet,racing suit,gloves etc.And by the way 2s is a high gap.

Anyway his other videos show that he isn't much used to road cars.And you only admitted on being wrong about F1 because it is made by McLaren.If you were really unbiased you would have admitted being wrong about LFA,918 after all.I can also say that Tiff is a bad driver based in this result when we all know he isn't
British GT Championship Silverstone 2011 - Photo Gallery - Racing Sports Cars
In similar way you can prove driver A is faster than he actually is by showing one good lap.Also Mono at spa was done in poor condition as everyone can see except you.

Wow P1 LM produces more down force than LMP2 even in high downforce configuration after all.And we are supposed to believe what ever manufacturer or magazine says blindly without verifying.No wonder you got Contidrom times wrong.Not to mention McLaren has already mentioned very fictional claims for P1.And yeah P1 did 6:33 just because they say so.Koeingsegg CCR will do 1/4mile dragstrip in 9s just because they say so.

And you are also wrong about F1 GTR weight.In JGTC during that time min weight was 1250kg as far as I have heard and it had 60kg ballast added in JGTC at sugo.Also it was down on power by 100hp.So max weight is more than 1310kg.By the way CAR magazine stated that F1 GTR produces enough down force to run along ceiling at 100mph which can't be true.

I also love all your conspiracy theories when you can't win or P1 loses.By the way how many races had your god won?It is a fact that if in Salomondrin test if P1 had won,you wouldn't make conspiracy theories about him.I really as a Mclaren fan thought at least some thing you said must be true but after talking with you I found nothing is.

 

He would pick up worst result for LA Ferrari to show that Ferrari's claim is wrong.

 

Mclaren F1 is someone who can match Lieven post for post. He'll break down a section of track with the times cars have done on it from 20 years ago. It's pretty incredible to me, really. I don't read much of the back and forth between the two. I'd say they seem like similar people
Though, except Lieven is driven but a singular delusional narrative and MclarenF1 is driven by facts.