Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Ditto.

 

I watched episode one last night, I was impressed with the 918

 

Actually it's 281k and change taxed in if you must know. I had to pay for the car in full before I pick it up in Germany.

I can't be bother with clicking any more useless Youtube videos that you link. What was it about anyway?

PS: Little tip, who said I had class? I am the most obnoxious and classless person you will meet.

I mean, I am so lacking in class, I had to drive the 911R to a Burger King in a town I can't pronounced nor spelled along the way to take a pee.
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according to akira iida the standard LFA was 7 seconds slower than the NE, that puts it at 7:21. before you start crying that it's slower than the ZR1 you have to remember that this was on S001 tyres, which the ferrari 458 switched to MPSC mid-production as its standard tyre. the S001s have a threadwear rating of 280, the RE070s have a treadwear rating of 140 and the MPSC have a rating of 80 (only found rating for the ACR tyres). judging by this data we can see that the standard LFA would break the 7:20-barrier on nürburgring.

now onto tyre size:
F/R:
LFA: 265/305
ZR1: 285/335
ACR: 295/345

would you look at that, the LFA has a smaller contact patch yet it still keeps up. it also has less power and torque and more weight yet it still right behind the ACR on the ring on RE070s

next is aerodynamic surface area starting with wings:
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2008/08/112_0808_17z-dodge_viper_ACR-spoiler.jpg
https://www.netcarshow.com/Lexus-LFA_Nurburgring_Package-2012-1024-17.jpg

splitter/winglets:
https://www.netcarshow.com/Dodge-Viper_SRT10_ACR-2008-1024-03.jpg
https://www.netcarshow.com/Lexus-LFA_Nurburgring_Package-2012-1024-63.jpg

notice hoe the surface area for the aerodynamic parts are smaller than the ACR

for good measure, the ZR1 is a car which relies heavily on mechanical grip, it has no interesting way which it shaper the air and the central quad exhaust ruins the ability to put on a diffuser what little there is left of the rear will be disturbed by the air spill of the tyres.
https://www.netcarshow.com/Chevrolet-Corvette_ZR1-2009-1024-19.jpg

 

I have no idea what I'm reading. But it seems like the LFA was ahead of its time, right?

 

That ZR1 Corvette doesn't even produces downforce as said by Sport Auto dyno test so instead it produces lift at speed.

By the way it is pointless to argue with him.Track conditions,passengers and Drivers stuff only applies when P1 loses to 918.Not for other cars like F1,LFA,GTR,918,Agera one,etc.Other reasons can be just to prove his point.Also notice that he comes up with conspiracies when P1 loses only else it is known fact that he wouldn't try to prove GT lap was standing start(even if there is no point)or Salomondrin lap was fake.He would also try to prove that CH was bad if P1 lost in his test.

If I am correct LFA was faster than ZR1 at autobild test and also its first official lap at ring was faster than ZR1s first official lap.

Why was he rude with me?Because I disproved his Sebring Short stuff.And said P1 on corsas was slower than 918 on most tracks tested,P1 GTR was slower than F1 GTR and showed that Good wood isn't necessarily a power track as seen from lap times on FL and Ariel Atom video.

 

looked it up, the ZR1 has 39/14kg F/R lift, even the standard LFA had rear downforce

yes, i'm expecting him to twist the information in his favour, but i'm not expecting myself to continue to argue as i've had an argument like this before on youtube and it becomes annoying quickly

 

I am one of the few fans of the LFA here i suppose. For a car with 'only' around 550hp, modest tires, and relatively tame aero, what it did at the NB is still impressive by today's standards. It was the overall balance of the car. Still love the interior, love the way the car looks. And yes, that unique engine...seemingly no inertia .... and the sound it makes.

Lastly, please...everyone, please put Mycrap on ignore, so sooner rather than later he can go from 'leavin' to 'left' ok!

 

dang, how did i miss this. when did you pick this one up? great choice as for color! your GT3 RS is black too, correct?

 

I fully agree with this last statement. Mycroft tries to pull everyone down the rabbit hole with incoherent arguments and we should not bite. Mycroft is the smartest person Mycroft ever met, and will never rest until you believe it as well. He clearly has absolutely no credibility about the 918 - I doubt he has ever seen one - yet would happily argue about it's performance potential or lack thereof with owners, etc. Dead give away that he is not playing with a full deck. So please do what I and many others here have done - select ignore and hopefully he will fade away from this site.

 

Well that was one hell of a typo.

And those.

 

Nurburgring is all about how long you try for, the lap times mean nothing in reality and I never saw the standard LFA lap video either. It was slower than the GTR on a lot of other tracks too.

Summary of remainder of your post: Load of excuses for poor over-priced car. Funny how you never looked at tyre width wrt P1 too.

Seriously, it was worse than listening to the whitterings of what remains of Evo wrt NSX vs 918 this month. The NSX is a cut price 918 apparently. My backside.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ5cYknDbMU/

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Well at least I dont feel so bad, now, for my n-ring lap time obsession. Take a read at number 4: Four things we learned chatting to Porsche test driver Lars Kern | Top Gear

 

Thanks for sharing this link. I particularly like number 3: YouTube trolls had a pop at his driving skills.

Obviously we here don't know anyone on this site who would do such a classless thing...LOL

 

In terms of the Top Gear article, I was intrigued about Top Gear's concern about the missing P1 lap time at N-Ring. So I asked in those comments where the 918 vs P1 lap times were from their own magazine test in Portugal when the cars were first introduced. Hopefully they will respond with the actual results, but I doubt they will.

 

Sure we do, pretty much everyone had a pop at Chris Harris's driving skills after his Portimao test. And a certain other member has also tried make out that 2 GT Open drivers are >5s off pro pace on Goodwood, despite an entire season worth of GT racing results proving otherwise.

There's skills and then there's effort. Effort and familiarity change times too.

 

They'll probably respond when Sport Auto release the Hockenheim Short times from late 2014.

 

Speaking of Nurburgring times I have seen Evo posting a list recently.Its amazing to notice that we have hot hatches faster than a Murcielago.Sadly no P1 though,F1s time can be rejected.

Ring Kings - The fastest Nurburgring lap times | Evo

 

So can the ACR-X time, that was on slicks, ditto for Zonda R. No LaF either it would seem.

 

it's one thing to claim a 7:20 lap when a faster version of the car already does 7:14 (potentially less on better tyres), it's a whole different thing to claim you broke the record and not provide a video and then talk about it being dangerous (sound like cowardness). i never use that lap officially anyway and would never propose to have it on fastestlaps, it is an unofficial laptime so it must be treated as such. speaking of, where is Mclarens laptime 6:33/6:47, you had no problem in believing those and treating them like they were official laptimes.

Whoopsy has already discussed tyre width with you so i see no reason why i would need to discuss that with you.

 

Double standards again I'm afraid. At the time LFA was claiming a record, claiming it beat the GTR's record, but no video was provided, it was claimed before the LFA NRE came out. GT2 RS claimed 7:18, no video.

Why should anyone have a problem with those times? The Performante does 6:52 and will be providing a video and SV already has a video for 6:59. A P1 is much quicker than those everywhere on Corsas, yet you think 6:47 is somehow unrealistic? Logic just isn't your strong suit is it? When you look at these deltas, even a sodding 675LT looks capable of beating an SV by 10-12s over a 7 minute lap.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/a9ccmvtcjhmf

To me, it just seems like you have a vendetta against McLaren and use a set of rules that you don't apply to other manufacturers and excuses that that you don't apply to McLaren.

E.g. for you, you refer to the P1 as the P3 because it sometimes loses to the 918 and LaF. So what does that make the LFA? A £350k supercar that sometimes loses to a £50k performance coupe. POS? No not for you. You make excuses based on tyres, like the Corsas are really as good as Cup 2s aren't they? Then you make excuses about the LFA's tyre size - 265/305 - last I looked that's actually larger than the P1's at the front. P1LM isn't a production car but LFA NRE is etc. Yet you accuse me of bias. LMFAO.

 

Being road legal in that list is not important as it states

Plus sadly there is no customer McLaren in that list.So 6:33/6:47 definetly didn't happen.Otherwise Evo would have known.
*Not saying sub 7 is impossible though given its average speed.

La Ferrari not being in that test is fine as no lap time was claimed.

 

A member over at mclife and macca themselves stated that the GTR is slower than the 650sGT3, which by normal GT standards at the ring, would equate to some near 6:30. So if the GTR is slower than that, and the P1 is slower than the GTR, what do you get?

The thing with macca is that they have never posted an official manufacturer time at the ring. SA did one and got a 7:28. A member on here claims that ferrari said the Speciale could do a 7:20; with a perfect nurburgring setup, he was able to get a 7:27, however his telemetry said a 7:24 was an ideal time. Macca have never stated any time for anything.

The Merc, the LFA ring edition, Porsche as a whole, Lambo, and a few ferrari's all have one thing in common: they did extensive testing for the ring and can tune their suspension perfectly for it. The speciale driver was able to get a 7:28 in his GT3, while another customer was able to get around a 7:00 in their GT3RS on BTG. No recent Macca other than the "pre-production" or "first try" 12c, have ever posted a time for even a simple comparison for estimation. And even then, that was SA that did it, not macca.

Autoblog in their review of the 650s made a remark about the suspension be pretty good for a car that could do a 7:25 or less, but they've never actually shown it. Plus, the 650s was what the 12c was supposed to be, so in the end, if that statement is an estimate of what it can do, then it still fails. The LT usually beats it by about around 2-3secs, so i would love to see what a properly setup 488 would do to an LT. Even the base Huracan is able to keep up with a 650s, and in most cases beat it.

And no, before anyone asks: I DONT OWN ANY OF THEM, NOR HAVE I DRIVEN THEM, AND AS YOU WOULD SAY: I'M AN ARMCHAIR RACER.

 

Yeah oh well, 30k or so difference, cost me more to ship my 918 round trip to Europe anyway.

That's nothing. How about these? You think a 911R is a investment, I think it's just another car that I drive. Even off road.
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