Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

A P1 GTR is slower than GT3 car in most cases but the driver said it might be faster on fast track like Monza.

Mostly I agree with you except the fact of 488 GTB being faster than 675LT.Comparison show otherwise.
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel5623-5661.htm

 

Yeah the GTR definitely pulls away on the straights, but its caught back up again on the turns.

 

the most impressive time there is the Lambo SV, imo

 

the first prototype LFAs being tested on the ring stems back to 2004 BEFORE they started with a carbon chassis and before the first concept was shown, i think they'd work the numbers down in 5 years time. doubting porsche doesn't seem to be wise as the 918 has proved, everyone doubted it when the numbers were released and compared up against the P1 and LaF, heck the 911 somehow still keeps itself relevant despite having the engine in the wrong place.

would you have believed that an aventador SV did 6:59 if a video was not shown?

what you have to keep in mind is that different tracks require different strenghts e.g compare LFA and F12 at laguna seca or why not compare a veyron to an atom at monza

your vandetta comment is hypocritical given that you were the one who started this P1 vs 918 argument in the first place

if corsa tyres are so bad then why did Mclaren choose to have BESPOKE TYRES for the P1 and woudn't their bespokeness play in favour of the P1? the LFA in both instances uses a regular off-shelf tyre

 

Nick, let me ask you a question. I've driven a 991.1 TTS fairly hard. I know you're a huge fan of that car. Seeing as a I haven't driven a 918, how much more violent is the acceleration in the 918 vs the TTS and how much greater is the cornering capabilities?

 

Yet to meet an SV owner that thinks he owns a Sub 7 Min car....I suspect same will be for this new thing. The Standard car is not that fast, unless its on Trofeos.....

 

Ignore the idiot he's a delusional fool.

 

I love how he didn't use 918 vs SV on his website
Porsche 918 Spyder vs Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV - FastestLaps.com
I think 918s lap could have been better using his logic.

 

The acceleration, as in torque delivery, in the TTS is almost instantaneous, it might hesitate a little bit in certain situations as you are awake from the turbo lag. The 918 have zero hesitation because of the electric motors, it just goes. The only hesitation will be because it takes times for the brain to control the foot. On a scale of 1-10, with the TTS as a 7 or an 8, the 918 is at 10.

For cornering, the 918 turn in is basically instantaneous from the wide front tires, and mid engine configuration. The 918 have a higher ultimate limit on ordering but I still feel more comfortable in a 911, rear engine, the tail swings more lazily if it gets loose, the 918 just snaps, needs to be quicker to catch.

 

If McLaren had officially claimed it, it'd be there, just as the the 997 GT2 RS time is. Relative to the Lamborghinis, those times are easily possible, even logical.

 

Kevin Estre's lap actually equated to sub-6:30 with an Audi slowing him down at the end. And it depends on the track, on the slower tracks the 650S GT3 is slower, but on Spa, 2 up through traffic, a GT Open driver was only 1s slower than his 650S GT3 qualifying lap, which was 1up through traffic. The 'ring is even faster than Spa too. Then you have the fact that two pro drivers drove the GTR and P1 on Trofeos at Bahrain International on the same day and there was only 4s in the difference. So that would likely equal 12s at the 'ring, so 6:21 P1 GTR, 6:33 P1 (TrofR), ~6:25-6:26 650S GT3.

No, but unofficially an FXXK on road legal tyres went round in 6:35.

And how far are SA behind factory times usually? About 15-20s, yes.

The 488 doesn't have a hope in hell against an LT, an Italian mag proven that in a same day test. LT was 1.4s faster over a 1 minute lap.

As for Huracan, it can only win when running Trofeo Rs against Corsas on the 650S and it even beat a 918 at Balocco doing that. At Killarney, when it ran Corsas against Corsas, it was 1.6s slower than the 650S and 0.7s slower than the 570S. Elsewhere it was only a few tenths faster when wearing Trofeo Rs, even against the Spider at Big Willow, which has the wrong tyres up front.

 

Didn't you claim it could fly a while back?

 

Right so what you're saying is that Porsche can claim times with zero evidence but McLaren can't? Bias again. Yes, I would believe the SV time because Auto Zeitung ran a lap only 2s slower than what SA made with the 918.

I think I made the same point myself earlier wrt BAC Mono at Goodwood. And the average speed on the 'ring is >110mph, this is clearly favourable to the P1 and not the 918.

Err... no you have outed yourself with bias in a very caught red-handed manner in terms of the excuses you extended towards the LFA, your acceptance of unproven times from Porsche and your criticism of the P1 for being far more successful at competing than the LFA.

Same reason Ferrari did for the LaF. Both cars would be faster on Cup 2s. Why else would someone fit none standard size Cup 2s to a P1 aftermarket?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVO3pfMwTyc&t=670s

 

Again, sorry but the Auto Zeiting lap was only 2s behind the SA 918 lap time.

 

More rubbish.....Lol
I think you mean well, but you have little or zero actual experience of what you talk about.
A 488 will match a LT for time on some tracks, just like EVO found out. 1.12.8 for both cars. The problem with the 488 is its rubber, its like the Turbo S, its only got a few fast laps in em...

Also this, only a few secs apart for a Pro Driver etc, I take it you are aware just how much 3-4 secs works out to over the race distance, let alone a flying lap.

 

Why are you still twisting things.....?

My 91RS is within 2 secs of my 918 on some Tracks... The 2 secs that you talk about above works to around 20 or more over the ring distance.....Like I said yet to meet an SV owner, me included,( now sold ) that thinks he owns a Sub 7 Min ring car..

I give in now, good luck and good health....

 

Evo, different day test. Again with the rubber excuses, most people I've spoken to with actual tracks experience say Cup 2s are very similar to Trofeo Rs for speed but last longer. When an Italian manufacturer uses a French tyre manufacturer instead of an Italian one, that should tell you something. That said, a brand new Corsa will be launched with the 720S. Vairano was same day, 1.4s faster, Bugatti Le Mans, 675LT ran on a partially damp track, quarter of a second faster.

Yeah 4s over Bahrain equates to about 12s on the 'ring.

 

Who's twisting things? The magazine vs factory lap time delta for the 918 and SV is identical at 16s, so if the SV's time is a fraud, so is the 918's.

Auto Zeitung
SV - 7:15

Sport Auto
918 - 7:13

 

Sorry, off topic, has anybody ever seen peloton and mycroft in the same room together?

 

ah....that's the life right there! great pics. keep 'em coming.

 

Hey Skipper, have you ever thought about using your considerable amounts of spare time to accomplish something constructive?

Perhaps McLaren will hire you to analyze YouTube videos of their recent F1 performances to help them figure out why they are so slow and continually getting their butt kicked by multiple back marker teams.

On second thought, forget it, even McLaren I'm sure can see how fatally flawed your reasoning and analysis is when analyzing automotive performance.

Does McLaren use live drivers when performing crash tests? Surely you could provide them with better feedback than those dummies...after all, you sure have wrecked this thread.

 

I dont know Peloton, but even I doubt he would be this stubborn, and I'm most certainly not the biggest fan of mclife, but i give credit where its due. But to answer your question, yes.

 

Oh, so the ring time SV-918 is Ok on a different day, but not the EVO 918 -RS One Lol...
Any one that puts a Trofeo on an Equal to 91RS Cup 2 with regard to track life and lateral grip is delusional ....Even Mac don't regard the Trofeo as road tyre . FYI massive amount LTs lap times are down to the lateral grip of the TRs...Car was developed on it.

 

So if the SV was on trofeos, or the LT were on corsas, they'd be equal?

 

No, Trofeo is almost a race tyre, its designed to be used to on and from the track .....
On an LT Trofeos are worth around 3 Secs round Silverstone.... But as the LT was developed with TRs and it can be ordered with this, despite is advantage over other rubber, imv its fair that times are good to stand....