Odometer Rollback Scandal

All very well beating up on lack of sources etc but if you actually bothered to read the filing, you will find no suggestion of any global conspiracy or Ferrari directing the rollbacks. It suggests that Ferrari IS aware - which is absolutely not McDonalds telling staff to shortchange the customers as you say.

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"Each time the Deis Tester device is utilized on a Ferrari vehicle, authorization is obtained from the Ferrari entities via a wireless network connection. During the process, vehicle diagnostics and procedures performed with the Deis Tester device are automatically uploaded to a Ferrari database."

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"The Ferrari entities were aware of the operation because the technician had to obtain logon information from Ferrari N.A. to use the device"

 

Same story - I was mid late 20's, infatuated with a 328 on the showroom floor. He walked right up to me and asked if I was intereststed. I said yes but that I couldn't afford it at that time "perhaps in a few years". Bud said no problem let me show you the car and all the things to look for when u are ready. He spent 30 min with me educating me on the model, a wonderful gentleman to me and no reason to be. Genuinely warm and so nice, I will never forget it.

I ended up buying a 328 a year later and have owned many since, one of my ferrari regrets is never buying one from him.

That was my experience with Bud, and best of luck to him.

 

And every Ferrari licensed service center world wide logs on many times every day. How many people should Ferrari employ to monitor all those log ons when the car can be taken to any instrument repair facility for exactly the same thing?

You do realize this has been happening daily since cars have had odometers right?

 

My car had 25 delivery miles on it and it was reset to zero when I picked it up which I found kind of strange. Central europe. So yes it absolutely is true that the dealer can at least reset it to zero.

 

Buy on condition not miles.

Funny about all those 20kmi daytonas whereas the ones in europe have been around the clock.

Here in USA we like concors and low mileage readings, elsewhere peple drive, so what is considered a good car has different criteria.

 

+1

Paradoxically the US considers itself the center of car culture yet when you look at mileage its like nobody really drives these cars. It makes sense when most people(that can afford these) are making $ 24/7 and then so afraid for any wear on their cars so they put put on sunday around suburbia with their ball caps and then go home. Also police are usually lurking on every corner with a speed trap so that just kills any potential excitement.

US supercar culture always obsessed with 'numbers' just like everything else in US so people are so adamant about the mileage. Its a numbers obsession including demanding that their is no loss of 'value' measured in numbers(dollars). So people don't really see themselves as driving an exotic they see it more as XX figures etc. It really is sad... The dollar value is the center focus at all times even if people refuse to admit it.

 

I did some further digging yesterday and apparently both Ford and GM have removed the ability to perform this function from their dealership technician's with the in-house tools provided. If a vehicle needs the cluster programmed with new mileage now, the part is exchanged through the parts supplier who are the sole entities capable of updating it legitimately.

That said, there are still other ways of doing this still and it happens more often than people would probably want to know.

>8^)
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Can we please use this scandal, true or not, to oust uncle sweater...?

 

I think he's retiring next year anyway.

 

I would expect Ferrari to be monitoring that already.

 

That is naive.

 

I would think that Ferrari's only skin in the game is to protect its Intellectual Property. They would be concerned that the Deis tools out there are properly licensed to the appropriate dealer/service dept and not reported stolen or lost. I am sure the dealers are paying fees etc to use Ferrari's IP and the sole purpose of the check is to validate the license for the tool not to see what they are using it for. And to make sure Ferrari is getting its fee.

 

I believe the "plan" is that he retires from FCA - not necessarily Ferrari.

I'm going to bet you $5 he hands over FCA and then he can focus on being a meddler/mini-empire builder/F-1 power broker by running Maranello.

 

Exactly the opposite should happen. He should run FCA and get the hell out of Maranello, Ferrari, and F1.

 

You misspelled "ruining."

 

Why would you want the Florida elite hitting on your wife all day...everyday? ;-)
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Seems like this is blackmail run awry, ferrari called his bluff.

But then the whole ferrari "sales" prefered client stockbroker flipper sales policy, coupled with most of the cars being GT handbags for men, is seriously alienating many clients anyway. Given that the client base is now largely low mileage flipper concors people, this crowed can be seriosuly scared off by an odo sacndal. The rise of Mclaren and even lambo/audi into ferrari market sphere continues.

 

I am commenting (like Rifledriver) on the poor reporting and paucity of proper journalism in an "article" that seems to have some people here flapping around like chickens. Reading a legal filing, or writing an internet comment about a filing, or quoting certain contents of a filing, is not journalism or adding to the content of the filing - and I imagine there are a lot of strange filings around which don't get publicity from the likes of us.

What I expect from a newspaper - even the Daily Mail - is an attempt at presenting background, context, quotes from different informed sources, and a tilt at a balanced or insightful report on a news subject matter. That's what makes them, usually, more worthy of reference than a guy on Twitter. But all of that has come from the wise heads on this thread, not the journalist.

I would have thrown the story back at the writer and said, Find two other people who say this happens, get background so it sounds like you know what you're talking about, get statistics from anywhere on the "crime", find out the legality or otherwise (cf Rifledriver) of owning the tools, get someone respected in the industry to comment on its versimilitude. 'Rob Lay, administrator of the respected Ferrarichat online forum told Mail Online, 'This smells like bull.." - or whatever.

None of that there.

 

I contacted the detailer I flat-bedded my car too immediately after taking delivery(for xpel and paint correct) and he had taken photos and still had them.

When I login into Ferrari.com owner pages you get a list everytime your car was at a dealer. The first entry is 42/26 miles.

Many owners have also taken delivery of 0km cars that were reset at the dealer.

As I said when I picked up the car I found it 'odd' that the odo was at zero. So yes the dealers absolutely do have the ability to reset them which seems to be common practice industry wide. My understanding is they do not 'ask for permission' but the hardware is internet connected to the main server.

So if its true what this dealer(FL) was doing ie reseting LaF to get the 1mil+ value I suspect its isolated to particular dealers. I mean come on guys its Florida out of all places and everyone is shocked at fraud? Hahaha.
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Mr. McMillan just shipped his LaFerrari to FL just a couple weeks ago. Seems odd to me that he'd ship his car back to the dealer that he's in a lawsuit with.

 

we don't know anything of the kind at this point.

I remember being ridiculed on this board when the VW emissions thing happened & I opined that it had the potential to tip the company over.

Big Ferrari needs to get on this quickly.

 

Again. Remember VW. The couldn't have bet the company on this deception - except yes, they did.

 

The story right now doesn't fully hold together, that's for sure. What's clear is that this guy is in a pissing contest with the dealership and he's trying to extort a settlement.

That's all besides the point, or at least my point.

My point is that IF this is perceived as being a real thing, all Ferrari owners have a problem, and therefore Ferrari has a problem.

True or not, they need to deal with it at the very highest level.

You can be J&J/Tylenol or you can be Takata.

 

Because the result of getting caught doing it is the corporate death penalty for Ferrari, a company that is entirely based on reputation and market perception and brand value.

BTW, you know how to fix this? Car service records, including mileage, should be stored on a public blockchain.

Boom, problem solved. Rollback impossible.

 

Bitter employee it seems.

Sad.