Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

His videos are dreadful.

 

LOLOLOL sport all you have provided is pureeee conjecture.

Heres the definition because you probably don't know what it means: an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

Hilarious that you try to validate the P3's imaginary ring laptime by using data from different cars, driven by different drivers, in different years! You really are some kind of fool.

Were all just supposed to believe you on this one though right, without any proof. What's that you were saying about double standards sport???? lolololololol

 

No dude, I'm doing exactly what he's doing. He's prepared to argue that an LFA or GT2 RS can run their claimed lap times with no video based on other performances on different days and years and with different drivers, but when it comes to applying the same rules for the LT and P1 he's a hypocrite. Applying the same rules he used for the GT2 RS and LFA (e.g. other performances), the LT beats the SV (6:59) comfortably and squarely p1sses on the GT2 RS (7:18).
McLaren 675LT vs Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV - FastestLaps.com
Porsche 911 GT2 RS vs McLaren 675LT - FastestLaps.com

As for LT vs LFA (7:20), LOLOLOLOL! About 9s difference on Fuji and the LT was 2up.
Lexus LFA vs McLaren 675LT - FastestLaps.com

So in short, in lafars BS world, he can believe 7:20 for the LFA with no video, but sub-7 for an LT would be impossible even though it beats the LFA by 9s on a 1:46 lap.

So either you call lafars out for doing the same thing, or your replies to me are showing double standards.

 

Wow, we agree on something.

 

I don't see Lieven's direct comments, only if someone quotes him. However I was absolutely gobsmacked with this gem by him:

According to people with significant track and race experience it is the case and I'll listen to them long before I listen to gibberish from a nobody on the net.

ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS...LOL

 

P1s time is a pure fiction from this list.997 GT2 RS time is a manufacturer claim so it is valid.Better than no time.
Ring Kings - The fastest Nurburgring lap times | Evo

He believes that P1 on Trofeo is faster than GT3 car at ring and P1 LM generates more downforce than LMP2 car of 2011.Using his logic isn't 675lt faster than Zonda R around ring.As if lap time difference vary linearly with track time.P1 is faster than GT1 car at topgear track according to him as Ron Dennis claimed it is 10s faster than Huayra.Hahaha.

Yet he earlier claimed that 6:47 was not confirmed now he tells that it is a leak.Just Wow!!!

I already set him on ignore because of them.

 

UNREAL! As long as they aren't 918 owners like Whoopsy or Apolo I guess.....

 

McLaren P1 ride at Fuji
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jByywn1q_BA

 

Oooohhhh, congrats! Hope you get one so we can see how Merc's tech compares to Porsche's; and if the hype is truly there.

I agree. I had originally subscribed to him RIGHT as he was having his internal feud with cupgang around summer, and I feel like I was cheated out of all the hype surrounding him, so now I feel conflicted. Should i stop, or should i keep going. It's like a life lesson i'm teaching myself without knowing it: is the reward worth all the pain in the beginning?

 

Actually, a long time ago, someone on piston heads said it was in a reasonably priced car segment. Not the regular cars. Then i went back to look at the video, and yeah, he did say star in a reasonably priced car. Granted, the car isn't reasonably priced, but...y'know.

https://youtu.be/ICRWf5A2fuQ?t=8m24s

 

I have no idea what his feud was, but it's a shame it happened because the Arab guy whose there now is nothing but annoying. They're trying to have a lifestyle channel or something. Problem is they aren't very interesting people. Just three not very funny guys who one of them happens to be rich. Kids seem to eat it up still, though.

 

Exactly! He's trying to turn himself into a brand...or a best, a meme. He even has an instagram page for that whole "SVIP Experience", thing. I signed up for cars, not "the Salomon VIP experience". I feel like i already GOT the experience!

 

I have to agree. It started out very promising and car oriented but now it seems like the three bros playing with cars. A pity as there was a lot of potential there...an honest, open mind talking about the car world from the inside. Now their comments on Ferrari and BMW are getting a little old.
I am torn as well...should I stop looking at their stuff or not? I had high hopes for the podcast...but it is the same as the videos with just a tiny bit more car content. I think that they are losing us serious car people but attracting a lot of kids. I guess that is what they are going for...

 

Just his claim of P1 doing 6:47/6:33 or whatever is THE laughing stock right now.


I was just at Pagani talking Horacio yesterday. Their 6:47 Zonda R was not to us when we talked.

He doesn't speak English well but his son Chris on on hand to do translation. When I mentioned the 6:47 with him, his first reaction was to confirmed it was the best sector time. Then he pointed to the 6:47 record car Zonda R next to us. Put his hands on the rear tires. Then narrowed it to like nothing and then talked about it was impossible for the P1 to put the power down effectively on 'bicycle' tires.

He said under 7 mins, yes, beating the 918's 6:57? Nope. I also mentioned the 6:52 from the Performante, and yeah he believed that provided the car is heavily modified.

He was like, come on, the Zonda R is like 1250kg with 750HP, and wide tires, can the P1 even matched that kind of performance.

 

i did see your comment on mobile were it logs out when i refresh so i'm just gonna point out the flaws in your argument

you lack references, the only thing you have is the 12C supertest and that's not even the car in question
1. if mclaren had set a laptime with the 650S and claimed that the 675LT was X number of seconds faster than the 650S then you could actually place the time
2. if the 650/675 had almost equal gap compared to the factory claim (calculating horst von saumas limited time to set a good laptime) then that would also be a good enogh reference for the claimed time

for comparison i have 3 references
1. 7:14
2. test driver/factory claim
3. supertest which showcases almost same gap as factory claim(though his limited time can cause variations and must be added to the calculations)

btw, i did a bit of digging on the claim, turns out it was 8 seconds slower than the NE (carscoop mentioned 8,85) still enough to get it below the 7:20 barrier with a stickier compound, trofeoR is guaranteed (see mycroft, owning up to your mistakes isn't that hard)

 

hopefully that means it's possible to get the AM RB 001 vs AMG R50 when they are released, i subscribed because i wanted track comparisons, not vlogs

 

are there anybody here on Fchat who's getting the AM RB-001?

 

You too, eh?

 

His opinion of the Performante is interesting. In his mind, it would be impossible for the P1 to get below the 918, but the Lambo is okay, just as long as its heavily modded. What would even be his definition of modded, anyway? Maybe he's a bit biased towards lambo?

 

Traction is traction. The ring rewards traction and stability. P1 sounds like a blast to drive but you wouldn't use those two words to describe it. As for Lambo, well they shot themsleves in the foot with the Aventador SV. Once it got nowhere near even a Corvette Z06 basically every track test their is, it made their Ring test seem fishy. Who knows though, maybe it's only fast at the ring.

 

yes

 

I am actually astonished at the times the P1 puts in, not just down to its "push bike rubber" but the fact that it has no LSD, just a brake steer, to vector all that BHP and Torque.

Like the LTs times, has a lot to do with Trofeo s imv....

 

No, stop strawmanning. A GT3 car runs under 6:30 even with a car holding it up near the end. I never said anywhere that a P1 on Trofeos runs sub-6:30.

And the P1 LM downforce is a direct quote.

As for Huayra, nobody knows it's true time on the TG track because it used cut slicks.

 

Sorry but that's all more b0llocks contrived by a proven liar. Even Porsche said the 918 could have gone 10s faster and McLaren has proven the ability of the P1 to keep up to a 918 and even beat it on faster tracks using Corsas.

There's nothing bizarre about this claim at all. Even the Performante has ran 6:52, video out today. 6:57 is not that fast. As for the Zonda R, the P1 GTR has proven the ability to be faster than GT3 cars on the really fast 100+mph average speed tracks, so it would be at least 20s faster than the Zonda R on the 'ring.

As for the opinion of Horacio Pagani, if he was so confident in his cars, why did he resort to the tradition of cheating in the Top Gear lap with Huayra?

 

Good point.....