Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

So what now? Even Lamborghini is faster than Ferrari at ring? I'm sure after lambo's new record those ring fans would even insulting Ferrari more or believe Ferrari is dying their cars are slower than not just Porsche, Mclaren and now even Lamborghini ��

 

I am sceptical of the Lambo's performance. I will want to see additional head to head tests against the 918 to confirm it's real world performance potential.

The reason for my scepticism is the large variations in performance relative to other cars that the SV has exhibited since it clocked a sub 7 min time at the ring.

Hopefully someone will make a head to head happen soon!

 

I see no difference. Must be your selective hearing.

 

I know there is a new Corsa tyre, which is also due on the 720S, so it might be that. Same grip as existing Trofeo R apparently.

 

There's no reason to be sceptical, Lamborghini put in more effort than Porsche, that is all. It will lose on other tracks during magazine tests you can guarantee that. The only problem here is that a few narrow-minded individuals assumed 6:57 was an unbeatable time.

 

Performante truly has a revolutionary design.Who knows it could be even faster than the trio?Remember that the trios are already 5yrs old we had a 430S matching(if not beating) an Enzo which was only 5yrs younger.

 

Or it could be 1s/minute faster than an SV due to newer tyres, which is still much slower than the trio. I know where my money is. Place your bets.

 

During independent testing the Aventador SV was found to be only marginally quicker than the standard car. Despite this, Lambo gained a huge amount of time at the 'Ring. Once more, Lambo has shaved significant amount of time from the standard Huracan to the P. That's the reason for skepticism. I for one hope it's legit and the car shows up and smashes cars everywhere. I have doubts that a spoiler, no matter how advanced, can make such a difference. I sure want it to be legit though considering I can actually get one unlike the big three.

 

Congrats to lambo. You forgot to mention they also put in a lot more effort than P4 McLaren lololol.

I went on Mclarens YouTube page but couldn't find their ring lap, you have the link sport?

 

Sorted for Ya......Now don't blink at the end or you will not see the time......Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4aL6Kkv6w

 

Funny thing about Lambos time is, considering the extreme performance of this car and its relatively affordable price, I don't think they needed this time to sell a bunch of Huracan P's. The regular Huracan sells like hot cakes for them.

 

If you think it's faster than a P1/918/LaF then you aren't thinking straight.

 

I am aware of the SVs issue.If I am correct at Le Mans Bugatti same day test SV was even slower than Standard Aventador.

But you have to remember that ring is very inconsistent in terms of performance figures and the fact that SV was tested by factory driver and standard one wasn't.So that can explain the difference at the ring IMO.

 

You can read what the driver said:

Christophe Tinseau:

Should have performed better than the regular Aventador, but it has been penalized by the very high temperature and humidity. Tires were not semi-slicks and they have greatly limited performances. They were dead after 6 laps.

Some complaints about the AWD and the understeer it induces. Chassis is a little too stiff, with a negative impact on stability.

It can go from understeer to oversteer depending on the torque split.

Requires some time to get used to it.

Engine is great, but transmission not so. Brutal and slow. Lost the brakes one time also. Weight is the ennemy.

Other comments:

One of the most disturbing (in a positive way, don't know how to translate it in a more appropriate way) engine. Very strong power and nice noise. On test bench, did not reach the rated performance level.

3" 0 to 100kph, 11" to 200, 26"4 to 300. Very good numbers... but same as regular Aventador. High temperature and humidity are the reason. Rear wing in low position to reduce drag.

 

Here's the Huracan's test:
Christophe Tinseau:
(Test pilot for Sport Auto)

The complete team is very surprised by the lap time achieved by the Huracan (4th best time ever). The car is well optimised for circuit. Very high motricity and good modulation of power because atmo engine. Very good direction and transmission (just complaining about late downshift and lack of engine brake). Strong brakes but a little difficult to adjust. Christophe thinks this is a very good car for track days.

Tyres (Trofeo R) are considered as key element for the very good lap time. Christophe considers they are 2 seconds faster than Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2. If I remember well the test from C. Harris with P1, LaFa and 918, there were also 2sec between the Trofeo and P Zero Corsa on a similar circuit length (but Michelin should be better than the P Zero).

Main article:

Introduction about the weight of the car, 86kg lighter than the previous Huracan they tested (that one weighted 1642kg, so current test is 1556kg). No lift, carbon seats (-20kg), forged wheels (-7kg / wheel).

Engine at the specified power (8ps less in fact).

Standing km is achieved 0.1 sec slower than Aventador, 0.4 sec faster than Porsche Turbo S. Better high speed stability than Aventador SV and very good braking.

Comfort is acceptable, not as good as R8. Carbon buckets not good for comfort.

As a conclusion, testers are very surprised by the performance level achieved by the car. They explain it mainly by the tyres and they expect upcoming Superleggerra to be an impressive car.

https://youtu.be/WT-b24Pg5b8

 

Just for comparisons, the LT:

On circuit, Christophe Tinseau:

The car is exceptionnal for its effectiveness. With raised wing at the rear, there is understeer, but its normal with such load. Without raised wing, the phenomenom is reduced. Best would be to change the aerodynamics of the car during the lap to have optimum handling. Best performance zone for the engine is 5000 to 7500rpm. Regarding suspensions, there is a significant difference between the modes, and in dynamic mode, the suspension is very stiff. Braking is very strong, but stability under hard braking could be better. Requires a better driver than a 911 GT3 RS for instance.

Other comments:

Test done in July (=> we had to wait a long time until they publish it !!!) with high temperatures. It penalized the performances of the car. Also, only two laps to achieve the best time, after there was some light rain. Could have achieved sub 1'44" with better conditions. The car is very light, 100kg lighter than GT3RS and 200kg than 488GTB (tested weight for all three). Very good transmission, a little brutal in Corsa setting. Good driving position too. Good level of comfort on the road as well for such a high performance machine. Certainly one of the most agile and effective car homologated for the road. Its power and light weight are its best assets. High speed stability without issue, resistance of the brakes to fading a little less good than GT3 RS. Very good handling, only issue is high speed braking stability.

 

On another picture you can clearly see the Trofeo R branding.

 

This is the one thing I dont really get. Everyone keeps saying things about independent testing not matching claims, and i'm just not seeing it. Are they/you talking about acceleration, or lap times. Because if its acceleration, even customer cars have some pretty huge variances. If its the 700-4 n-ring time, that was done by sport auto @ 7:25 on corsa tires, while the SV did 7:15. Thats about a 10sec difference, much like the 918. So I'm still having trouble figuring out where and/or how the SV underperforms.

 

I'm talking about every other track (not the 'Ring) where the SV just gets crushed by other cars that aren't suppose to be faster and a car like 918 DEMOLISHES. I'm talking about that I've driven one hard at Thermal back to back with my 458 and friends 911 GT3 RS and you can feel the heft. Look at the times it's posted at other tracks versus a car like a 918 or a 675 LT and it's getting beat badly. The Ring has the mythical status now where a car can post some crazy time there but getting beaten everywhere else and people just think that's fine. To me, it's not. But I'm hoping the Huracan P lives up to the hype because I genuinely like the platform.

 

I see what YOU'RE getting at, but not some of the others. Apolo1 tried to explain it to me either here or over at RL, and I understood some of it, but not enough except for the post earlier about the 650s and LT being close when they're both on trofeos. The LT has never really done a time on anything BUT trofeos, so its kind of unfair to compare it to the SV on corsas, but its equally since "run what you brung" is the motto.

I can't really argue with you feeling the weight of the car, it looks like a fatty. Though I personally dont consider getting beat by the LT to be such a massive problem, when its on better tires. Plus, the Aventador did beat the old 12c at the ring by around 3sec, while both were on corsas. But the 918 is a special case as seen during the sachsenring record of 1:26, and its earlier 'Ring drives by Mr. Rohrl at 7:05.

 

as kingjr9000 mentioned, the LT vs SV is unfair because the SV runs on corsas while the LT runs on trofeos which are much stickier

i'm using the nürburgring because the references for the claimed laptime is there, the fact that sauma did both the 7:14 lap and the 7:34-7:38 matches up relatively well compared to the claimed time when you factor in that sauma has limited time to set a good laptime

as for why the LFA is better on the ring, that's because it was developed there, this gives it an edge on a nurburgring comparison, too bad the P1 got beat by the 918 on their development track (top gear)

as for your references on the ring:
-6:33, debunked
-6:47, unconfirmed
-6:55, unconfirmed
-7:04, rumoured unofficial, unconfirmed
-12C supertest, not the car in question and far away from an LT or P1

 

Unfortunately for you Sport, the numbers say otherwise


Ring times
Lambo P 6:52
918 6:57
Lambo Sv 6:59
P4 7:xx

Convenient that when the mighty P4 can't hack it at the ring you would rather use could of's and should of's instead of actual numbers. Lolololol some esteemed engineer you must be, why don't you build me a bridge with theory rather than facts (since you're so good at doing that sort of thing when P4 loses)

 

675 just drives so sweet though. Much sweeter to drive than an SV.

 

There is weight and there is weight when talking about cars.

Aventadors are heavy, 918 also. But 918 has rear wheel steering, and regen braking which means 35% of the braking efforts are taking up by regen, in simple terms in means the brakes are stressed less than most cars. Then there is the Cg of the car, which is lower than the wheel's center line, don't think any car on the market can match that.

That's why the 918 seems like a pig on paper because of the weight but it basically outperform anything. The weight is a non-issue on a 918.

The Performante has trick aero that gives in higher cornering downforce than most cars, and in corners is where time can be had. It also has 4wd which will effectively put own power. One reason why it is so much faster than a P1 on basically equal tires. P1 can achieve higher ultimate top speed but that's only a tiny portion of the performance envelope, it loses to competition on most other metrics (no traction out of corners, no real advantage on corner forces as it has narrower tires) and that's why the poor showing of the car.

But do a 2 mile straight line race and the P1 will blow just about anything out of the water, maybe only losing to a Koenigsegg.

 

Taken from McLife about the RB-001

I was at the dinner at the RBR factory the other night. Needless to say many questions were answered to the 60+ gathered owners. The biggest non giveaway news is that the chassis design is soon to be locked allowing focus on the rest of the components. I do not see this car going the way of the XJ220 given the way Newey talked about it, he's building this for himself, there are just 149 other lucky people along for the ride.