F1 Clutch Job

Well I don,t need to do PIS adjustment Manual maybe you do I have a tool that does it for me and the proper way .

 

Well I suppose that's great if you have no concern for your clients and like selling a lot of clutches.

 

I guess you don,t have the proper tool or you can,t afford one, it's a adjustment tool if you like to know where do you get adjusting a PIS Manual on a 360 or 430, 599 maybe on 355 ????

 

I got lost in this thread ..Are we saying that the A/E is not able to adjust the clutch proper after install and the only tool is the SD with the wire package from ricambi or is there a manual adjustment in conjunction with an A/e etc that is required ?

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Yea that must be it.

 

Well have fun adjusting the PIS manual on your 430 ,599 if you know any better

 

someone earlier seemed to assume/mention that i had an A/E setup- i do not.

i had a shop do my car- they have a SD3. i had a reading on the car for codes before the clutch was done and the only code was a (left bank o2) i believe- so nothing related to the clutch or actuation was in the codes or pending codes. i have all of the snapshots of the readings saved.

as coincidences go-- that shop has now moved to beside my shop so i wont need to buy an A/E now - and i have access to use that if i am so inclined now..

the guy at that shop told me before that hes tried SD3 and Leonardo and he thought the Leonardo was harder to use than the sd3. but with all software its what you get used to and what ever your more familiar with.

As for Autel- i'm assuming the ferrari part is new- it may not be- but i did check it at some point last year and i didnt find any reference to Ferraris-- i do know that the snap-on ones cannot do anything - and those cost a lot more than A/E or the Autel. and ive used the Modus Ultra quite a bit.

 

what exactly is that cable listed from Ricambi for?

 

Dominick- No, the AE does the PIS adjustment, F1 self test, and F1 system bleed just fine. Has been doing it for mine and other F1 Ferraris (360, F430, 612 that I know about) since I bought it for my techs to do work on my 575M. scuderia09 just keeps jumping in with completely ridiculous statements. Ignore him completely and the confusion factor will go down exponentially.

 

Sure you can adjust PIS manual for the older models were talking about late 360 , f430 , 599 and so on can you adjust the PIS manual on them the answer is NO so you keep quiet

 

Does being an ass come naturally or do you have to practice?

 

I guess you need Practice on doing PIS the Manual way lol..........

 

Every time you open your mouth, you just sound less knowledgeable.

 

Just saying the correct things, been around for awhile i think i can handle my way around and knowledgeable about it.

 

Terry,

Thanks for the reply. So... to sum up the useful information in this thread

If you use a Autel or A/E you can set the PIS manually which I believe Brian is saying is the prefer way?

With a SD and the wire set from Ricambi stated above you just enter the old values that were present before changing the clutch and it does an internal calculation and then it sets the proper the PIS etc based on a process called Torque curve optimization.

I think and hope that is a wrap - if not just correct me with making modification to these statements above

Thanks
Dominick

 

Dominick- You got it.

 

If you had the proper tool like the Leonardo or the SD system you wouldn't be fooling around with manual PIS setting, So before replacing old clutch record your PIS reading values first after replacing the clutch reset PIS with same reading values road test and do any necessary PIS adjust if needed it's a very simple set up take Minute's why make it so complicated WOW

 

Oh, baloney. As usual, you do not know what you are talking about. If you do not know the optimum way to adjust PIS manually, I pity any Ferrari you ever touched.

 

Terry, is the pis manual procedure documented anywhere ? Forgive me by a quick search did not reveal it

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No way , I don,t need to do PIS setting manual and i don,t think anyone should ether, see if the dealer will do PIS manual setting, I have the the proper equipment tool to do the PIS setting proper and easy and faster way Terry and did alot of clutches in my time and never had to do a manual PIS setting, get yourself a proper diagnosis tool and stop beating a around bush with your cheap $3,000 software Amen.

 

No there not !!! would love to see one if there is one.

 

Dominic- The best source is on Aldous Voice's web site. Aldous tells me you use the diagnostic tool to monitor the input shaft for movement and adjust the PIS to get the lowest setting you can that does not move the shaft. Trial and error, but gets you the longest life on your clutch and the least amount of slip on starts and shifts. My techs just did it to mine, and the last two adjustments were just right because we ended up with the same PIS setting after the adjustment. On a 575M, about 7.7 mm with our bigger clutch with thicker plates. On 360s, seems like the reading is normally around 4.7 mm. Clutch life on mine is projected to be ~62,000 miles in mostly city driving.

All the tools will set PIS automatically, but clutch life will not be as good. I would not let anybody touch mine that did not know how to do manual setting of PIS.

 

That right you need the proper diagnostic tool to do any PIS adjustment state that right in the Aldous Voices site and nothing that states manual adjustment on PIS it all done through F1 ECU with the proper diagnosis tool , you keep saying your 575M what about the 360,F430 ,458,599, 612 and so on I bet you can't do a PIS manual adjust on these model

 

Thank you for explaining it..[emoji106]

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scuderia- Aldous wrote that procedure for the 360 and any pro knows you can manually set the PIS on 360s except for the very early TCUs. One reason why many early 360 owners swap for a later 360 or CS TCU is to get that manual PIS adjustment capability. The F1 systems on the 360 and 575 are virtually identical, with many common parts. Please stop trying to confuse everyone because of your lack of knowledge. You must be a terrible poker player, because your bluffs are very ineffective.