I was at the dealer on the weekend picking up my cars and was told that the 812S is limited to 6 cars a year at Ferrari of Ontario. 17 cars have already been ordered. Does that mean I will need to wait 3 years.
do they still have the charity auction where you can 'buy' the first allocation of a new model like the 812 with the support of FNA?
Yup or you play the "buy more to move up the list" game.. I imagine they will get 6-10 cars a year. Its a huge supply issue that just keeps the older cars up in value. Its really amazing if you think about it - what other manufacturer can do this and have such a passionate following. I have heard of this but am not aware they did it for the 488 or GTC..
According to 2 major dealer here in Switzerland wait time if u sign 812 contract today us basically 3 years. The give 2020 slots for delivery Gesendet von iPad mit Tapatalk
As posted elsewhere, my UK dealer now has 76 deposited orders. Given that he expects 15 cars a year max, you can do the maths.
Even in Switzerland where ordering a F12 was the easiest thing in the world, I am being told by the local dealers that the car is sold out for between 2 and 3 years. First customer cars will appear Jan 18 I think, but demand appears to exceed even the wildest estimates. I placed my deposit almost a year ago and I still have no idea if I will get one of the first cars. Cant help but think that some of this demand is purely speculative. The 812 is an awesome car, but so was the F12 and it got a fraction of the demand when it was launched...I bought mine off the floor of my dealer, brand new in 2013...
According to the Car manufacturers statistics and other independent sources Europe's total sales for the F12b have been the following: 2012 - 82 units 2013 - 624 units 2014 - 418 units 2015 - 296 units 2016 - 387 units The USA sales for the F12b are not published but I read some estimations that indicated they are slightly lower than Europe totals. The rest of the world I presume represents a modest percentage of Europe+USA totals. The F12b was a completely new car and a very successful one and believing these figures the total number of cars sold until now is quite substantial. Because the 812 isn't a completely new model but an evolution and also due to the fact that there are a good number of used F12b for sale, it's difficult to believe that the 812 sales will surpass the F12b. I agree with you that there is a lot of speculation going around.
Total allocation for next two years for mine is 32 and has 45 odd deposits (and now stopped taking deposits). I am supposedly getting mine mid 18
You've got to believe that after the hype of 'last NA V12' disappears a lot of allocations will open up and speculative buyers will take delivery and flip to stay in the game and get a shot at the LE versions. If you are willing to buy they will be available.
I hate to rain on the party but forecasting beyond a year with accuracy is difficult. Unexpected Economic developments, shifting preferences and other surprises can upend predictions and behavior. If my dealer tells me I need to wait three years for a car, I will buy something else in the meantime And who knows what I will do in the year 2022
Minimum for the 812 from my dealer is three years as well. Although that might be cut down to 2-2.5 if ferrari decides to build more 812 after the first model year. They also say you can usually get a used one after the first year for $50-75,000 over msrp
I think there are a couple of factors at play here: 1. World economy for the super rich is as strong as ever 2. This is the only naturally aspirated 2 seat sports car that Ferrari now sells 3. Since the past couple of models, Ferrari has been making its front engined cars more and more sporty so people can now buy just the V12 and be happy
That's interesting - common practice in France is that it's basically refundable until you get to the stage you actually spec the car (when you have a real production slot, typically less than 6 months before expected delivery).
Actually it largely depends on the profile of the customer. For a first timer probably non-refundable unless there is a particularly strong reason, for a serial customer always refundable regardless of reason.
All good points. They don't always do the charity auction, but if they do, you can expect to pay a healthy multiple on the car. On the other hand, I would like to believe as the high bidder and doing a good deed would make you feel good and also probably raises your profile with Maranello. My advice, get on the list, be patient, but check in from time to time with the dealer and keep your ear to the ground. You never know.
I play this a bit differently, if I know I can have a car in a years time I give them my money. If I have to wait for 2 years I just go enjoy something else until the wait shrinks then give them my money. I am not a super fan of waiting 24mths+ for these things. I remember when the 488GTB came out it was 2yrs+ .. now (only a year or so later) its about 12 months or so. I agree that there is a demand but I also know that Ferrari manages perception and availability to their advantage (dealers included).
