The Official Ferrari 812 SUPERFAST pictures thread

As for pricing of a car one has to base it on what has to offer. The 812 is, in general terms, a marvelous car, whether you like it a lot or less. Offering a supercar gives the producer the right to get a return for their investment in development and production. In such a segment one though may expect a good finish, and offer those who want to further upgrade or tune the car to their liking.

I am a new-buyer and maybe look at things a bit differently as I am a fan of the brand but not addicted (yet). Seen the fact that F. now chosen to sell the 812 (as well as the Lusso) in a very standard/basic quality, trusting the buyer to spend multi-bucks on upgrading the car - ultimately giving the car a much higher price point - it to me feels a bit like one is trying to fool its clients, a bit disrespectful even. I believe that a supercar never can be sold with a spec below par with the model of the car - IMO!

I understand that, now F. is quoted at the stock exchange, there is more pressure on generating profit than ever before but when one continues on this road, we, in a few years time, end up with an offering of a spectacular outer body and engine and have to design/order the whole interior ourselves (the version son show than becomes a demo car only). I dislike that and, as concluded in a few comments above, therefore keep an eye on the competition, see what they offer for the $ as to total package.

Although I understand that every dealer needs to praise whatever the car producer brings on the market but where one was selling a more finished product in the past, they now need to sell the car and on top a lot of extra's. That puts them in a kind of 'arrogance' position ("oh, when you don't like that, just take it in CF and it will look much better!") and there will be potential customers, like myself, who are turned off by that!

So in all, IMO, a dangerous path one moved on. Well maybe, as mentioned before, I look at things a bit different since I do not own a F. (yet).

 

Belíssimo………………………………….

 

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Amen

 

Perhaps you should write a letter to Ferrari to express your opinion.

It would be interesting to hear their response.

 

I have.

 

+812
Very very well said.
Thank you very much.

Marcel Massini

 

Well said my friend

 

Are they sourcing a cheaper standard interior leather than for the F12?

 

I don't know. I raised all issues last week and very much doubt they will accept the leather is thinner and until someone cuts up their F12b and 812, we will possibly never know. All I do know is that the finish in my tdf is to F12b standards and that makes me happy.

 

Having not see the car but this doesn't surprise me. I don't think we should be at all surprised that the interior needs additional money spent on it. The factory is seeking to please Wall Street and getting customers to spend more money on options, gradual volume increases and more LE cars are the core of the earnings growth story that Ferrari has sold the street. To gently encourage more TM business and a greater use of carbon or other options in the interior is to be expected. Wall Street is hungry!

 

That's fair enough. But that aside, I'm taking about those elements we have no control over, no options being available.

 

If Ferrari were having financial difficulties, the company would cut personnel, internal programs that don't generate profit and finally as a last resort touch the product- the car.

But Ferrari is doing very well.

Saving a few hundred dollars by using cheaper leather simply defies common sense or logic.

The last thing Ferrari would want to do is cheapen their product. That would hurt the brand.

But it is possible for suppliers to cut corners and produce parts of inferior quality. But then Ferrari would need to have a keen eye and spot this.

 

There is no such thing as too much profit.

How do you explain the issues posted as they are very real?

Hurting the brand is my worry.

 

Margins on the cars have been steadily increasing and this can be done only by reducing costs (including R&D and production) or increasing prices. Ferrari would like to increase their margins quite a bit more than the current level. In the earnings reports they show the Ferrari margin as compared to the luxury goods peers and they will keep trying to improve. The trend of decontenting now established will continue IMHO

 

You're very likely correct. It's unfortunate when money hunger comes at this price, pun intended.

 

Like I said, if Ferrari made a V-12 convertible in volume, their profits would treble and threaten the existence of Aston.

 

No one needs to cut up the leather as you suggest.

The quality of leather can be judged by someone with skill and experience.

As you know, Luca made the shift to Poltrona Frau leather years ago. He may have had a conflict of interest since he has some involvement with the furniture maker.

But I think the PF leather is a more durable product. PF has superior tanning, dying and chemical technology.

My first F car was a 360. That leather was different from PF. My second car was a Cali-that was PF leather and so is my 458.

I used all Ferrari's to their fullest. Clocking over 65,000 miles on each one. 200,000 total Fcar miles and counting. Parked them outside in the sun all day, even left the window open when it rained overnight. The door and carpets were soaked right through! When it dried out the leather was fine.

 

I should have added that in an earlier post someone said that Factory representatives had accepted it was a thinner leather but that it was a weight saving issue. Not.

 

I am not a leather expert.

However, I do love furniture and have ordered sofas and chairs from companies such as Roche Bobois, Poltrona Frau Maxalto B&B etc.

Part of that business is allowing customers to pick the grade of leather.

Thicker leather is not the determinant of quality. Sometimes a thinner leather which has a very smooth finish and suppleness to the hand is the top grade and more expensive.

But it is subjective too. One sofa i ordered a very thick leather which had a natural pebbling. It was the standard and less expensive than a very smooth grade which was thinner and more supple and delicate. I recall being surprised by the difference in price. I assumed that since one was thinner it would be about the same price or even less.

(The girlfriend had a massive pit bull who insisted on sitting on the furniture. I think that influenced my decision to go with the cheaper yet thicker leather

But to your eye, the 812 leather was cheaper looking and not as luxurious as the F12

I sat in the GTC 4 Lusso several times. Poked my head in a new one two days ago. I thought the interior looked very nice. Yes it is busy to my eye. But overall I thought it was very refined and luxurious.

 

I think we are rehashing an exchange from earlier. The actual quality from a point of view of no marks from barbed wire etc may be similar but the effect when applied in the 812 is simply not of the same quality as in the F12b. The only sensible explanation for this change can be cost.

 

Are they still using PF for leather? There is a very big difference in feel and smell bw my wife's beige FF and my 12 in cuoio. Not a bad thing but the beige (ventilated so maybe that's the key) is much softer and has less of the traditional Ferrari scent. Also, I thought several posters of the forum have said that the launch cars tend to not be as well finished as production. Maybe we are misdoings quality too early?

 

Given the limited quantities of cars they are building, how much could the cost impact possibly be? Would an extra $5k in base price to ensure highest quality of materials really impact sales? No way. Makes no sense. Yes, the margin on upgrades are surely high, but if you are paying $300k and more for a car, there should be nothing cheap about it. This isn't a mass market car where a few grand in base price makes a huge difference. Hopefully they just rushed a few demo cars and production quality will be higher.


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