Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Yes. And an understatement...

 

Not for one second have I thought that these new 'hypercars' will be direct competitors to the current holy trinity. They will be "road" cars, with massive endless quotes around the word 'road. They will be truly epic track day specials for sure however. Personally, I don't have an issue with the 'service' interval, but I do have an issue with how awful the current F1 engines sound.

A 918 with next gen battery and e-motors, both lighter and more powerful, and true 'CUP' tires, is what I really care to see. For $3mil a 918 'RS' would be something ridiculous beyond the already amazing machine that it is.

 

That's clearly not what I meant, I meant that the car is being used properly and that it's not some garage queen. This issue was also fixed within of a couple of hours so it definitely didn't "break the engine"..
I don't know of any hypercar that has a 100% reliability record, and I also don't judge the reliability of a manufacturer on a couple of breakdowns like the case seems to be with Koenigsegg. The P1 had issues, the 918 had recalls etcetc. Even the Veyron had issues, but somehow you only hear people talk about the unrivaled quality of Bugatti.

 

I'd like to see that too. I think the 918 is the best platform we've seen yet for continual performance updates because the traction is so great. It seems like Porsche has moved on though and doesn't share our interest.

 

Hope there is a maserati mc12 successor to fight against the merc and aston

 

My understanding is that Porsche is not interested in building another hypercar until there is a significant technological leap to warrant it (e.g. CGT to 918). For now, improvements since the three hypercars have been released have been incremental in nature, not earth shattering.

In addition, the factory where the 918 was built has been entirely reconfigured for other production purposes, so they have nowhere to build it now. I don't expect another hypercar from Porsche for at least 5 years.

 

I agree with this. I'm sure Whoopsy or Apollo would have much better inside info. I just pray that Porsches newest hypercar isn't all electric. I'm not ready yet...........

 

Most hyper car odos will never approach 30k miles. Just saying..
I think it's pretty cool that they're putting such undistilled F1 powertrain into a road car. 10, 20, 30 years from now it'll be truly unique.

 

The 50,000 Km rebuild sounds like a bad deal as we are used to modern cars that can run "forever". But consider this: a 2017 F1 power unit is built to last 1,600 km or 1,000 mi. I know that this will not be a drop in F1 power unit but it is quite an accomplishment the fact that it will be able to last 30 times more than the donor/original power unit.

 

Owners will be fine. Each buyer will get a few hours launch training with Lewis so they can be quick off the line just like a pro.

 

Hopefully anyone but Lewis because he was horrible with starts last season!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVr9wyhyPUA

 

Giving TONS of problems?

so just like the F40's then?
or the Nissan-built P1's engine?
or the LaFerrari's hybrid drivetrain too?
or the first set of Enzo engines needing full rebuilds below 10,000km???


Don't be so cynical gents. I back Mercedes to make it work better than anything. They have the money, like Bugatti do to make sure the driver isn't the tester.

 

Ugh.

Deposit returned.

 

Well, it's not like Merc is immune to reliability issues. They have had their fair share of issues both in F1 and in theor road cars division.

 

Finding a place to build another hypercar is not a problem, Porsche repurpose part of the factory floor when they did the 918.

But in 5 years time, with the Mission E fulling in production, it would not be out of ordinary to have a electric hypercar.

But by the same token, perhaps in 5 years time, when governments finally realized the myth of turbo cars being more fuel efficient is a hoax, they just gamed the current testing methods that's all, perhaps NA cars could make come back and Porsche might do another NA hypercar.

P.s. isn't it nice we don't have a certain someone spewing garbage in this thread?

 

I think Porsche will do this to draw attention to the Mission E. but I really hope not. In the meantime though they should at least offer you owners a battery upgrade to lower weight, improve range and always performance. Similar to what Mclaren is doing.

 

yes, they are very keen on making sure the M:E sells and will push it heavily. I second your other sentiment...here's hoping e-upgrades are in the pipeline. Just 100-150lb reduction would be sensational for dynamics...and of course a few more kW can never hurt

 

Interesting, is this upgrade done FOC in the warranty period? I politely enquire as some cars are out of warranty now.

 

I'd think that it could be done in or out of the warranty period in that it wouldn't be free regardless. I'm not sure what Porsche would charge but let's say $50,000 for ****s and giggles. If an owner paid for the upgraded battery's and e motors they'd obviously receive an extended warranty period.

 

I Can see why they would want to shall we say, "optimise" a few things..Lol, but more power, really? last thing a P1 with its bicycle wide rubber needs is more Bhp.

Jesting aside, is it correct that the warranty on the vehicle/batts is 3 years? Is the fix, upgrade, extended warranty 250k.?

To be honest, I cannot see how Porsche could offer an upgrade Batt on the 918, as in a lighter smaller one, this would just leave at lot of space imv. I can see how they might optimise the e- moter though.

Btw, We have a 7-9 years warranty on batts. All down to how they are cooled btw......

Imho

 

I was only referring to what I think Porsche should do with the 918, since the Mclaren is already doing something related with the P1. I completely agree with you that the last thing the P1 needs is more power unless they give it wider tires.

For the 918, battery tech seems to be moving at a faster pace than e-motor tech. I suppose Porsche could work on integration of the e motor with the ICE in that you won't feel the transition between electric to gas power at all. I've driven an NSX and own a i8 and, even though leagues below a 918 in terms of performance, the integration of the e motor and ICE is flawless. But, with the mission E, their knowledge of battery systems has to be greatly expanded. My thought process was that Porsche could offer a program by which, for a fee, they'll swap out your battery's with the latest tech. This would offer improved range and acceleration (from KW capacity as well as reduced weight). Even if this left some open space under the skin, I'm sure the trade off would be well worth it. New E motors could be part of the deal and would even allow true front wheel torque vectoring. The 918 is such an amazing platform for even greater performance because the traction is so phenomenal.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsy9jiZeOAs

Really well made Porsche 918 video. I'm thinking this might be the intro to a longer idea but I haven't seen it. That blue 918 is something special.

 

P1 could certainly use more power it just wouldn't be available until grip conditions are met. ie if you're going 100MPH+, it could certainly use more power. But not at 10MPH thats for sure.

The P1's battery is already more powerful (535 volts vs 380 volts) but limited electronically. Its my understanding the next gen battery will be significantly lighter (like 50% lighter) , remove the limiter (like gtr) and have the same range. No idea on cost but probably not cheap.

 

That's what Apolo and I were agreeing to though. Increasing electric power IS going to give you more power right from the jump (bc that's how electric motors do it) and the P1 already struggles for traction below 100 mph. So I was just saying more grip would be good to go along with more electric power. 918 has the grip already but isn't as quick as P1 when they both get going. So while Mclaren is offering a P1 update I think the 918 is a better candidate for one.