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  1. joe sackey

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    Hi Joe,never seen this picture before,I was very surprise when I realized it was my car,I have attached the a picture of the old log book unfortunately Rod is not in it
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    International incident indeed...

    More seriously his father was belgian...and thats about it.

    If your really interested Joe, here's the whole story, have fun:
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_Smet

     
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    #15431 GaetanVDK, Mar 27, 2017
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    Drilling down a little...

    I found references to at least 10 accidents:
    Johnny Hallyday : 3 - Le temps des drames

    Here are a few of them :

    1) Pau (south-west France) - 3006 probably - 27/28 august 1967
    Seems accident happened before the concert, in the region of Pau. He was accompanied by Jean-Luc Perier (a photographer). Still sang that night.
    See images below (already posted in the past).

    2) Paris - Car unknown - 26/27 oct 1967
    ACCIDENT DE JOHNNY HALLIDAY - Vidéo Ina.fr

    3) Roppe, Belfort (east France) - Seems to be a Citroen DS - 20/21 feb 1970
    ACCIDENT HALLIDAY VARTAN - Vidéo Ina.fr
    With Sylvie Vartan and Jean Pons (first producer)

    4) Arras (north France) - accident Olivier is referring to with his manager - date ?
    And the list goes on with other cars: E-type, Porsche, Ferrari TR3, Beetle, etc:
    Johnny Hallyday : 3 - Le temps des drames

    So i think we can conclude he was just a very bad driver

    BUT

    Did Hallyday own more than 1 Miura?

    #3006 we know about, but what about #1051?

    Thats what is quoted on Miura-svj, Auxiètre's website:

    #1051 yellow - produced 09 may 1967
    Lamborghini Miura N 1051- Registre des Miura

    #3061 white - produced 29 may 1967 (only 20 days after)
    Lamborghini Miura N 3006- Registre des Miura

    Any info on this?
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    #15433 bb4635, Mar 27, 2017
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    From what I've read about JH's accident is that it happened on aug.27th 1967 at the very end of a night trip at high speed, from Saint-Tropez to Tarbes (yes, 50km it's from Pau).
    Johnny was driving Miura #3006 registered 227-J-92, his passenger being his personal photographer Jean-Marie Perrier.
    The Miura ended its drive against a tree...
    The day after the accident, the local newspapers attested that JH was fine (see pict. in the courtyard of the hospital accompanied with two nurses), but his friend was wounded at the eyebrow.
    A local friend of him, also famous french singer of the 70's : Jacques Dutronc (the guy with the black leather jacket) visited him at the hospital.

    From what I've understood, Miura #1051 was Jacques Dutronc's Miura. Not JH's. But I'm perhaps wrong.
    FYI Miura #1051 is currently in France, under restoration (or waiting for it...)
    Its original engine (stamped #1031) is currently displayed at the Factory Museum in SantAgata.

    In his book published in 2007 about JH's cars, the author Jean Basselin is mentioning another Miura owned some years later by JH, described as a "black Miura" ?....
    It has also been written somewhere, that JH once owned Miura #3138 ...
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    #15434 GaetanVDK, Mar 27, 2017
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    Thanks for additional info.

    Then look at the number plates

    1) Dutronc's car, probably #1051, Number plate: 4758 CL33
    2) Hallyday, probably #3006, Number plate: 227-J-92
    Car in accident 27-28 august 1967.
    3) Hallyday, Number plate: 7667-WWA-75
    Hallyday on Champs Elysées in 1967
    See 2 pics below.

    The story of #3138 being owned by Hallyday, I believe was ruled as not correct a few years ago :

    Is 227-J-92 the same car as 7667-WWA-75?
    Or are they two different cars?
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    I'm quite sure the two mentioned reg. numbers are from the same car #3006.
    WWA was typically the temporary registration number given by a garage before the definitive & official number is given by the French administration for a new car.

    The picture at the Champs-Elysées / Paris appears to be shot the very day when JH got delivery of his new toy. It is dated june 1st 1967 = 2 months before the accident - not two years later...
     
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    Stephen,

    Note that Adrian Millar was Rod Stewart's manager.
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    Does anyone have the Michael Parkinson interview I refer to above?
     
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    Thanks Joe,I never associated Rod with my car before,he told me himself that he had owed three Miura and the first one was a left hand drive P400,but we have the proof it was 3372 and was owned by him/management, 3372 first came to the UK in 1968 and was driven on UK trade plates by car dealer Brian Classic [he supplied the pics] until he was caught by the police and was then registered in 1970 hence the H reg,according to the log book Stewarts manager was the first registered owner and they kept the Miura until 1972 ?
    3372 is meant to be the first right hand drive Lamborghini,but I have no proof, if you have time Joe can you look in records
     
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    The Miura shown in the Parkinson programme was LHD. I may be wrong, but from memory it was on a G plate.
     
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    This is one where I struggle to find anything definitive, as their notation of RHD cars appears random (although most are noted). That said, I cannot immediately see any earlier RHD car for the UK.

    I think Rod may be confusing the first Miura with another white P400 that I have heard was lent to him prior to him getting 3372, a LHD P400 used by Sandie Shaw for some publicity work, one I don't know the chassis number of.
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    This white LHD P400 above is not be confused with yet another Miura P400 which Sandie drove, a lime green LHD P400 used in London on EE.02452 plates, often seen parked in front of her West End boutique.

    Unless it was the same car with a color-change!

    Note the parking ticket under the wiper.
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    110/3198 was the first RHD car, consigned to UK 11/10/67 in time for the Earls Court show (18 - 28 October 1967). It can be seen in this clip at 1:50 behind Marzal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gOfDXh9Eqk

    134/3318 was the second RHD car, consigned 02/02/68 to Australia followed by 190/3519 the third RHD car, consigned 17/05/68 to UK. 181/3372 was the fourth RHD car, consigned to UK on 28/05/68.
     
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    The white Miura used in the Sandie Shaw film and lent to Rod Stewart must have been the car used by the makers of the original Italian Job film,the story is they were not happy with the gear change noise of the car used in the opening of the film and had a white Miura drive through Hyde Park in London on a Sunday morning so it could be recorded, if you watch the film carefully you will notice the noise does not match the gear changes etc,so it would be nice to know the chassis number of this car and where it is today
     
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    Why did Lamborghini lend Rod Stewart a Miura? Was he that famous then?
     
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    He probably had ordered a new one and the left hand drive car was a press car that was lent out to the press and special customers by 1969 he was becoming well known and had been with people like Jeff Beck
     
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    OK, thanks. Who actually said that Lamborghini lent him a Miura?
     
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    Do they know anything about Miuras, or are they just curious? :)
     

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