I think duplicate accounts probably aren't allowed Bassam. Just use your original: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/members/65956.html
You've called me that multiple times. I'm ok with that. Do you disagree the new GT will always have a *but* similar to the Jag 220? If so, why?
Now it really makes sense. He's been grinding that ax so long I'm surprised there's anything left of it.
Like I said, Quixote fearlessly attacking the windmill. "I am well adjusted, successful, rich, influential and important. And here are 5,000+ posts on the internet obsessively freaking out about a single meaningless item to prove it." If anyone ever burns my house down and kills my family, you know where to look.
Keep in mind that the Jag was promised with a 12 cylinder, but was brought to market with a 6 cylinder. Many people who had deposits on the car were not happy about this. I think this had a big impact on the car's success, or lack thereof. Also, the Jag never had the racing success of the GT. Lastly, as the Mayor stated, the Jag wasn't screwed together very well.
Just watched the Top Gear episode segment of the new Ford GT. Amazing. I think it's easily worth $500k. It's just so much more special than a Mclaren or Ferrari. It's the American Laferrari in my eyes. I absolutely LOVE how quick it drops down in race mode. I have zero shot at getting one but I'd honestly pay a half a million.
I just watched it too (great show btw) but totally different take. I feel the engine compromises it as a supercar. V6tt with around 600 hp is fine in a nismo gtr but not a supercar. Same with a single clutch trans in aventador. Another compromise. I dont feel 720, performante, or even 488 have any compromises despite being in a category a notch down from nfgt. At $500k there should be no compromises and v6tt is a big one to me. But the suspension drop is beyond cool
In pit trafficked and policed roads the future of a super car beyond posing is its ability on track. My impression is we can move the fgt to the top Of the List in that environment. The performante thorough its elegant engineering may surprise us all. As to the v6 there were many who had disdain for the 60s gt40 with its unsophisticated iron block mustang motor. It also was not a 12 whereas ferraris were. If the fgt ran a different motor toThe race car would it be more or less authentic? The xj200 failed in an economy where arguably the greatest performance car ever built the mclaren f1 also failed as did the eb110 basically no super exotic succeeded then. Contributing factors were it was yuge, had a rent a car interior zero race provemamce was not particularly inspirational to drive either and yes the v6 while a ironicaly a genuine race motor was rough and sounded like a bucket of bolts. The new fgt is already clearly a economic and race success. From Maserati to Aston to c and d types to BMW m1 and others there is a long long line of successful and highly regarded 6cyl motors. If this cars only failing is the belief that a b8 would Sound better that's no biggie as turbo v8s don't sound that great either. Perhaps my view is skewed because I actually run my cars on track because to me the real failing of the fgt is that too few people can buy one because unlike the last fgt production is seriously limited and in2017 dollars it effectively double the price. Or put another way if it were available like the last fgt and priced similarity at a current 250k I can't think of any other car I would rather have regardless of price. That's where Ford blew it IMO.
Come on Sam, you're better than this, the car is bad ass and you know it....I fear you're letting your dislike for one man fill too much of your day and cloud your judgment.
Car looked great in track mode on TG tonight. Of course they did not put it on the TG track which was dissapointing. I wonder if one were to look in the La Ferrari section if they would find prospective owners being so defensive about their eminent purchase of said vehicle? As I read that question back out loud, I realize just how ridiculous it is. If I could stroke a $500,000 check for a car, any car, I doubt there is much anyone could say to me on the internet that would illicit more than a brief chuckle if I noticed at all.
The engine thing just doesn't bother me. We're talking about s car that's makes way more power than is ever necessary. Do I wish it had a v8, maybe, but I never cared enough about the heritage of the Ford GT to have a strong opinion. If Ford needed to fit a tiny V6 in there for packaging and to make the car look so damn cool so be it. I've never drive one but I'll bet if you did you'd never think "man this thing really needs two extra cylinders!"
Dont get me wrong about v6tt. Ive got lots experience with gtr and was satisfied with it. Almost no lag, sounded ok after small bypass pipe, good torque and high rpm response too. Very nice engine for $100k and while im sure nfgt is even better, its not what I want for $500k. Now like boxer says, if they made as many as they could sell at $250k, it would be a difficult comparison to the competition. Its gorgeous and the tech is insane. Would absolutely need to test drive them. But at $500k I would probably pass on it, save 200k by buying either 720, performante, 488
Another way to think about it though is you're getting the American Laferrari at 1/8 the price of a used Laferrari. But I understand your points.
I'm not concerned about what others think about the car. I enjoy the sparring. We could be debating politics for all I care. If we're going to delve into a psychoanalysis, please explain why some people feel the need to participate in a thread about a car they purportedly have no interest in, just to criticize it to no end. Is it upsetting to them that others are happy and excited about the car or is it just spite? We can end this and have a fun, friendly discussion.
The Ford GT and the Nissan don't even belong in the same sentence. One is an F35, the other a bi-plane. The new Ford is worth every penny and then some-simply an incredible sportscar that has raised the bar for those that value the track connection in a street car. The 488 is also an antique compared to the Ford. Some here will squeak and complain, but it's simply sour grapes or a need for perceived marque prestige. There is a reason the first two years are sold out at that price and beyond.
At least 8 and possibly 12 new GT's are being delivered to the Utah Motorsports Track near Salt Lake City (old Miller Motorports). They are there for the automotive journalists to get their first time behind the wheel at the track, as well as on the great roads in the area. The excitement is ramping up. Hoping my buddy in Houston gets his white / blue stripe GT in the next month or so.
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That carbon fiber driver's seat looks mighty comfortable. What was going on there? Lower section of the seat removed for demonstration? Mark
I didn't ask, but I think he temporarily removed said seat cushion to 'fit' in the car, as the owner was 'large'
