Lamborghinis at auction

Hi, are you claming that RLA12001 has tag 001? Do you have any photos RLA12001 having a 001/150 tag?

 

The production of the SE30 was in July 1994, there where about 10 cars finished in July 1994, and chassis number RLA12001 was not 1 of then, but RLA12020 was. As i mentioned before RLA12001 was finished January 1996, I guess it will be hard for RLA12001 to be the first one?

 

What a silly notion, even sillier that the auction house would accommodate & participate in any of this blatant nonsense

This does not bode well for the car's performance at auction, historically, any ambiguity regarding identification markings can be the kiss of death

 

Where did you find these production dates for individual cars? Please share with us so that we can get an overview of SE production numbers by month, it would be valuable information to have. I was not aware that production still went on until 1996.

From 95 Yearbook (pp.64-65): "On 26th November 1995, as per production programmes, the last Diablo SE exited production line" ... "First deliveries began in July 1994 and ended a year later".

This would imply chassis 001 was built after the official closing of the SE production line, after chassis 150

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You are right in pointing this out; the odometer readings are inconsistent.

2010: 34.000kms when for sale at Touring Auto in Milan
2015: 62.326kms when for sale at Adamo Motors in Desio
2017: 35.100kms when offered at RM Sothebys
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Yikes.

 

Well now that's really puttin' the Bull in the speedo readings!

 

I believe none of those who are here writing have ever seen the original production register.
For information.
The facts are given by the official factory production records.
According to what has been recorded and written, the 12020 is the first car delivered after the prototypes and the original numbering indicates that it is number 1.
The internal order number of the vehicle is 009349 with delivery date 30/06/94.
The last SE30 officially produced is 12150 delivered on 22.11.95.
As written by Jota5084 about 12001 is correct: delivered to Hong Kong customer in January 96.
Why lamborghini did not follow the original numbering this is a mystery.
at the time the car owner Mr. B..... was a VIP client of lamborghini
The above just for clarity

 

Some of the main auction houses have done a subpar job of representing important Lamborghinis recently. Adds more to value confusion and skepticism.....not good.

 

SE30 - Ex modded car, inside and out, rolled back kms on the speedo, replaced production tag, many red flags IMO

 

Another Hall of Fame quote

The above clarifies nothing, the fact remains that this car will appear to have a dual-identity (number 1) crises to most potential buyers, this scenario albeit apparently caused by the factory itself.

Agreed.

Agreed.

There is still time for the it to be withdrawn, just a thought, if it performs poorly because of the aforementioned, I can't see 149 other SE30 owners being very happy.

 

And how can you explain the different Vettura plate which someone else here posted?

 

I was under the impressione that the first production lot of SE30 cars was destinted to the North American market and that 020/150 was the first Euro car. I have seen many SE30 cars and the last numbers of the vin have always matched the vettura plate.

 

My SE30 (UK car) is RLA12072 and is numbered 072.

 

almost right, I think RLA12001 was a Europe car, but 2 to 19 were US..

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Thanks for this info, but sorry to say it is not correct , car was never at Adamo Motors , there must be an error somewhere, all will be documented when the car is sold at the auction.

 

Are you sure about that?

It appears to be posted online in multiple places by Adamo Motors, including this image which shows its previously customized wheels, sitting on Adamo Motor's distinctive checkered tile showroom floor.

Isn't this the same car?
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according to the person who knows the car for many years it is 100% not that car.

 

Thank you for clarifying, perhaps the source of some of the confusion.

 

If it turns out to be a different car, I do apologise for the confusion regarding the odometer inconsistency; 34k -> 35.1k would make sense and back in 2009 the car already had non-modified rims installed (see ad). I had drawn the same conclusion as others here in thinking it could only be the same car given its unique appearance. So there are two cars with similar modifications; rims, brakes, 400 speedo (very rare). Both cars near Milan. Even the little metal thing above the tag as in 020. I also have info of 020 for sale in 2006 at Adamo Motors (source: Emilio?); perhaps it was a different car back then as well.
This story went beyond my imagination but there are either two cars with very similar modifications or the modifications of 020 were installed in the car at Adamo Motors at some point.
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Dear Diablo 4 ever, please understand that RM Sothebys highest aim is to explain exactly what they have on the auction, ofcourse sometimes consigners where misguided with what they bought in the past and might tell the history what they where told .
That is why RM Sothebys have a research team who do their best to provide the buyer with the correct info, they have many sourches to get their info from, so feel free to reach out to them if you might have a remark on a car which has been consigned.
Also please feel free to contact me, as I am blessed to be a specialist for RM Sothebys Europe and working with this research team.

Tonnie van der Velden

 

More pics from Adamo Motors :
https://www.facebook.com/pg/adamomotors/photos/?tab=album&album_id=623574041013622
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RM's car in february 2009 :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ferriautomodena/page2

We can observe some differences with the pics above :

- rims
- brakes
- rear grid
- exhaust
- alcantara on the tunnel
- steering wheels
- radio
- SE30 logo on dashboard
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Thibault thanks for the photos, but i clearly disagree...
I think some people try to hide some about this car, maybe because of the higher mileage than the odometer reads!

It´s very clear, the car at Adamo and the RM car is the same!
First to your points:

- rims -->easy to bring back to OEM Spec
- brakes --> brake caliper are ATE products, costs approx 800€ to refurbish them
- rear grid--> rear grid costs 1000€ and you need to 7x screws to change
- exhaust --> yes, but just replaced to OEM and closed the holes in the panel
- alcantara on the tunnel --> Yes other surface, but easy to replace
- steering wheels--> maybe they had the OEM wheel somewhere, no problem to change
- radio--> both cars
- SE30 logo on dashboard--> on both cars are holes visible in the dashboard. Just put a SE30 logo on this place to hide the holes, they don´t wanted to replace the whole alcantara on the dashboard

Now to the some points which clearly verify its that one and the same car:
-both cars have drilled holes in carbonfiber dashboard, the SAME number of holes
-both cars have a big spacer on the rear bumper
-both cars have the same aftermarket carpets, black with blue piping.
-both cars have a round chrome plug above the Vettura plates

IMO to many coincidences?!

This is the conclusion of the history of #020:

First owned by Brivio,mods added, with 60xxxkm

Than sold to Adamom Motors with that mileage (before 2009)

Later on converted back to original spec and mileage turned to 34xxxkm.

In 2009 several persons saw the car nearly back to original spec in Italy. (photos from you or Victor at Ferri Auto)

Now for sale at RM with several refinished works to bring it more to OEM spec.

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Thank you Revio and Lambodriver.

At this point, I do not want to draw any conclusions until further information is provided; but what I noticed is that the SE badge for the one at RM Sothebys and at Adamo Motors seem to show the exact same marks.
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