If he said it's boring and he's still buying one that actually makes him not just a ****, but an insufferable ****. However, if he can outdrive Alonso in one then I will change my opinion of him.
So Mclaren does a launch of their new "flagship" car at a track, which then the journalists are not acctually able to use because it is booked for another event? Sorry but that is just embarrassing.
They've been camped out at the track for about three weeks having journalists come through to drive the cars. It is inevitable that one or more of those days would already have been booked up well in advance of McLaren's reservations. There's already lots of footage of the bigger outlets driving the car on that track. I'm guessing some of the lower-priority folks were scheduled on days they didn't have access to the track or had to share it. Race tracks need to stay in business too, they can't sit around empty waiting for people to book them for three consecutive weeks.
Now that the reviews are out feel free to ask me anything about my driving experience in the 720S. I had it for 4 days put over 800 miles and 18 hours of driving, on all kinds of roads but no track, on it. I foolishly didn't call my local track (VIR) because they had an SCCA race meet going on when I had the car but the owner told me this weekend she would have found some track time for me if I had. Oops! But I think I got a pretty good feeling for the car on some twisty country roads around the state. I own 4 McLarens so I had lots to compare it to and the perspective of extensive driving of its predecessors before and after the 720S. Also drove the 488 just 2 weeks before the 720S.
No, YouTube people didn't get to drive it on the track. All the actual publications did. It's not a coincidence that YouTube people were the ones that didn't get to considering none of them seem to have ever even driven on a track before.
Well that is just not true, I think most if not all of them have some sort of a racing license. Also kind of cheap if one of them acctually has a 720s on order. Also they are usually in love with pretty much every car they review so I guess they just came in with wrong expectations. Faster than a P1 on most tracks i read somewhere. So if they have been around the LT of MrJww they probably thought it will be an LT on steroids which it clearly is not. They expected drama and rawness and got refinement, so it's not surprising they did not love it. It's like telling someone who's just been in a GT3 RS that the Turbo is acctually faster. If he does not know anything about the Turbo, he will probably be underwhelmed by it. However their reviews touch on a interesting point. On most european roads the 720s is simply to fast to enjoy properly. And if it lacks drama, what is there acctually to enjoy? It's not like you can watch yourself driving by and awww at this beautiful piece of engineering. If I had to describe the 720s from watching all the reviews, I would say it's a mid-engine Porsche Turbo with great design.
You can't listen to your exhaust drive by either, but people think it matters for some reason. Is what it is. I can't think of the YouTubers testing any cars on track. The magazines are dedicated to this stuff and the drivers are typically more experienced and better. When the YouTubers start doing h2h comparisons and hot laps, they won't get priority. At the end of the day, the magazines are still way bigger than the YouTubers and the reputable source. No one is quoting seen thorough glass or schmee lap times...
Yeah these guys look really bored... Seriously though Heimat said it perfectly. The 720S is not an LT on steroids. Its a very well rounded GT car, more like a luxury rocketship but still very sporty. I think some people are trying to compare it to the LT too much, but its not that kind of car. No more than the 488 is to the Speciale. If you want more driving drama and sound at lower speeds then the LT is the car for that. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well I think everyone has his place and purpose. Youtuber reviews might be better to get a feeling for what it is like living with a car everyday and most magazins or tv shows are good if you want to know how capable the car is on track. Many owners however will never be on the car the way the pro's from this mags are, so while the reviews are nice and entertaining, the actual value for most normal folks is questionable. Just take every review for what it is and most importantly, know what you are looking for. I for example like Saabkyle04's videos where he walks around the car and shows every little detail from nav functions to exhaust sound. But when he gets behind the wheel I mostly skip over that part, since i know he is not a superbly accomplished driver. Driving info i rather get from two extrems like Chris Harris (before TG) and someone like MrJww, because they to me, cover both ends of the spectrum.
One of the reviews reminded me of the miracle in this situation: in only 6 years, McLaren Automotive - which previously made one car and one [basically disavowed] collaboration with Mercedes - has created cars that stand as equals with Ferrari (70 years of continuous car production), Porsche (65 years) and Lamborghini (63 years).
It's nothing short of amazing what they have done and, as much as I dislike him, the credit goes to Ron Dennis. The seed, however, was planted by the F1 which was equal parts Ron, Ojjeh and Murray. I remember having dinner with Ojjeh just before the release of the F1 and he was sure it was going to be fantastic. He kept us guessing about special features but wouldn't divulge much. He was so right. McLaren couldn't be where it is today without the magnificent F1 in its lineage.
Lamoborghini also came from nowhere and in 3 years with the miura arguably eclipsed ferrari and was the peak car. they repeated this with the countach. The F1 which was a murry creation established the street car cred. The cars since then have bene more Luca De montelzulmo anybody can drive, as opposed to the real thing. Based purely on press reports(as have driven only mp12 and 570 nor the new gt3 or hurracan) the new Maclarens are more porche turbo than 997 Gt3/F1, and the hot car for drivers of this year is the performante.
After the 675LT I was sure MCL had the Potential to make the 720S a Great successor to the 650S. I have no Problem if they made the 720S more GT focused than Track car. For that matter there will be a 750 LT later[emoji6] Gesendet von iPad mit Tapatalk
My personal view is that Porsche and Mclaren right now are at the top of their game. Ferrari is right behind those two and Lambo is 4th. The Huracan P is a freak but the Aventador is a disappointment as a flagship.
Maybe in driving dynamics, but no regular car from Porsche, Ferrari, or McLaren compares to the presence of an Aventador. Even the original coupe, which I happen to think is the best looking, casts a shadow on everything else. There is a reason Aventadors have no problem commanding $400-600K. Even a 2012 Avenatdor is still asking high $200s. For a 2012 to be still asking nearly $300K, it means the car is hugely successful and it's what people want. No one else can ask those kinds of prices.
I think Henry Catchpole summarized it well and articulates what some of the YouTubers have said: "For now, I can tell you that the 720S is very impressive but as it stands, not something I think people will fall deeply in love with. It is fast, it is agile, it is fast, it has fantastic brakes, it is fast, the visibility is great, and in case you hadnt gathered, it is fast. I happen to think it looks terrific too, but Im afraid to say that the driving experience left the hairs on the back of my neck untroubled. I understand that McLaren wanted this car to have broad talents and that refinement and usability were big parts of its remit. Sadly, however, this has meant dialling out much of the crucial textural feedback and emotional excitement that everyone praised the Woking engineers for unearthing in the 675LT. To me, the 675LT wasnt so raw and uncompromising that it was unusable and I would like to have seen much more of its character in the 720S. Perhaps its a consequence of competence. Perhaps the myriad extra sensors in the suspension are almost doing too good a job, perhaps it just needs an aftermarket exhaust, but even a 650S or 570S feels more engaging. This feels more like a return to the numbers-driven early days of the MP4-12C. I know there are charts that show all sorts of improvements in air flow, power, response and lap time for the 720S, but a memorable meal isnt judged purely on its nutritional values. Perhaps I should be viewing it more along the lines of a 911 Turbo. Ruthless, fast, useable. But a 720S has a supercar shape and to me that brings with it certain expectations."
McLaren cars are still a lot like Ron Dennis Outstanding performers but difficult to get an emotional attachment too.
Different strokes for different folks. It's not like an Aventador has poor dynamics. It's still better than 99% of cars ever made. Put a 2012 Aventador on the latest tire compounds and it will probably be competitive with just about everything from today. Most of the performance gains seen today are tires. If the attachment is solely to involving driving, why bother with any modern car at all when you can get any number of outdated exotics? It's not like all the 360s, 430s, 458s, and 911s disappeared. There's no shortage of excellent analog cars for sale. For me, looks is the majority of the purchase on a new car. For pure driving experience, I wouldn't bother buying anything new since they all just get more and more boring. Very few cars in all of history check both the "looks" and "experience" box, and most aren't cheap.
