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Ways to tighten wing mirror ball and socket?

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  1. vaccarella

    vaccarella Formula 3

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    If I travel over a roughly paved road, the side mirrors tend to drop a little. Not much, but just enough to make me see the road surface behind rather than the traffic behind.

    I took one off the car this morning and it's not obvious how you take the (Vitaloni flag) mirror apart to adjust the ball & socket.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. dflett

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    It's been a while, but if it's one of the us type flag mirrors, I think there is a screw at one end of the base that tightens the ball joint. Both of mine were loose when I got mine, now they are tight.
     
  3. DGS

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    I had the same issue on my US model 328, on the pass side.
    On mine, there's a plastic cover on the elongated base.
    If you remove that (carefully prying it out along its flex length), there's a hex screw under that which tightens the mechanical ball joint between the base and the "L" shaped flag portion.
    (Separate from the electrical adjustment of the mirror within the flag shell.)
    Then the plastic cover pops back on.
     
  4. pappy.72

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    I used a little locktite on the hex screw and it seems to help it stay tight on my 89.
     
  5. vaccarella

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    The grub screw at the end of the base only tightens the mount onto the car's wing bracket. It doesn't affect the ball joint at all.

    Mine's a 78 & if you then take the mounting bracket off to reveal the ball (two screws), it seems to be a completely sealed unit. There are no screws to make any adjustment. The ball is formed from a single piece of aluminium incorporating a base through which the 2 mount screws run. Vitaloni flag, part number stamped 33298.
     
  6. miketuason

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    Did the same thing six years ago and it's still holding today.
     
  7. vaccarella

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    Thing is, mine doesn't have that ;) I guess the design of this item evolved over the years.
     
  8. 4rePhill

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    Probably due to the ball and sockets coming loose on the early ones and not being fixable! ;)

    (The saddest part of that statement is, it could well be true!)

    Hope you get it sorted one way or another :)
     
  9. vaccarella

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    I'm sure that's a fact. Design evolution happens. It looks the effort worked well for them, as if all else fails they are still produced. The flag mirrors are called Vitaloni Baby Tornado.
     
  10. scowman

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    I roughed up the ball/socket with some 60 grit. Really helps.
     
  11. vaccarella

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    I can only access half the ball's sphere at best. The rest is hidden in the moulding. Does any of that half grip when the ball is turned?
     
  12. DGS

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    #12 DGS, May 7, 2017
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    I looked up the Baby Tornado. It's not the mirror on my 328.
    I think Ferrari used different side mirrors on different years and models.

    The Baby Tornado looks like the mirrors on my Alfa Spider.
    (Driver's side was OEM, the dealer added a passenger side duplicate at my request.)

    I've had those mirrors on the Alfa since '79, and haven't had a problem.

    But a web search turned up the following thread on Pelican Parts forum:
    Loose Vitaloni Baby Tornado Mirror - Pelican Parts Technical BBS

    According to that site, if you remove the two screws that mount the mirror to the plate, there's a screw underneath that will tighten the ball.

    I haven't tried this, myself, as my Alfa's mirrors are still tight after 38 years.

    But I suspect there may be a couple different "Baby Tornado" mirror types.
    Pegasus Auto has the ones with the two mounting screws for $92 each.
    Kaferhaus has the ones with an end screw for $32 each.
    So one may be a simpler model without adjustment.

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  13. vaccarella

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    Thanks DGS, that's interesting. My 78 has two screws to mount onto the aluminium ball but these are mounting screws only. There is no central screw to adjust. It's a different design.
     
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    My passenger mirror tends to come loose, especially if a passenger slams the door. That's why I keep an appropriate hex key in my glovebox!
     
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    #15 Falcon, May 7, 2017
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    I had the same issue on my 328. I decided the solution was additional resistance. I found it in the form of the adhesive that is used on credit card offers that come in the mail with a false card attached. The card is attached with a clear pliable substance that has just the right properties. Remove the card from the letter and extract the strip of clear rubbery material. You can use multiple offers if you desire a larger quantity. You can place this material in the socket area of the mirror and tighten it up. It won't be necessary for excessive force just a firm set. My mirrors have held ever since. I now save my credit card offers in the garage in case I need some resistance for other applications.
     
  16. EP328

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    That is a great idea! Will give it a try. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Ha I thought was the only guy using this stuff
    we use, what we call mail boogies, for lots of uses
     
  18. vaccarella

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    Thanks Falcon. That's the only tip so far that might actually work on my 78's moulded sealed-unit mirrors :) My mirrors hold position fine on any good road surface, so I'll also try better at avoiding rough unpaved roads. I guess these mirrors weren't designed for rallying :D
     
  19. DGS

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    One of the first things I learned, in my 328, was to leave enough following distance to see the potholes emerge from the car ahead in time to avoid them.

    On one pothole, the Alpine threw a CD at me. ;)
    (I now have an MP3 player in the car.)

    But these are cars that are precise enough to drive *around* the potholes.
     
  20. vaccarella

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    Thanks for the advanced driving tips ;)

    It wasn't potholes, but a short stretch of shuddering rough surface that gradually dropped the wing mirrors a centimetre. No big deal :)
     
  21. vaccarella

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    I've just returned from a ~300 mile trip today & the mirrors didn't move a millimetre throughout. I guess I just have to accept that a rutted road can dip the mirrors a little. At least it's the sort of track I only travel on maybe once every couple of years in the 308..
     

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