FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2017: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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...Really? You don't comprehend that he backed off immediately because he's intelligent enough to understand there is ZERO point trying to race here with these cars because you can't overtake? He managed his engine after that, not putting any harm on it, he knew full well that ricciardo couldn't overtake either.

As for his face and reaction on the podium and upsetting sponsors...as if you wouldn't be upset!

 

So if Vettel had come out behind Kimi he (Vettel) would have backed off and managed his engine the remainder of the race? I don't buy that at all. The only difference between Kimi last yr and Kimi this yr is that he is in a better car. Otherwise he continues to show any compunction to attack those in front of him, and barely gets by defending against those behind him.

 

Kimi is hardly going to attack his own teammate is he? How stupid would that be, he isn't elton, look how successful his ridiculous passing moves tended to get, like Spain last year

 

But that sounds to me rather that they made a mistake then they did it on purpose. So Kimi might be pissed just as Ricci was the year before or do you think RB did it on purpose last year?

 

No, I don't think that's in Vettel's nature. Vettel would be adamant to be right behind Kimi for the majority of the race to prove he had the same pace.

You must have very short memory as last year, in a **** car, Kimi was also right behind Vettel.

 

Come on it's a very simple calculation, and especially in Monaco that's the most basic thing you look for!

Of course I don't think RB did it on purpose last year, why in the hell would they on purpose lose a race to a rival team?!

 

if ferrari want to swap just swap, its not that they haven't done it in the open before, why even bother to do it so hard and its not even against the rules..just told kimi he is slow get out of the way

whatever plan is there or not we won't know, but lap times don't lie and it shows kimi is not doing great inside the few critical laps leading to his stop

as for his face what can we expect, he started on pole he expect he's gonna win but too bad his teammate can drive faster

 

100% agree on both points. I don't think what Ferrari did was criminal, especially from a WDC standpoint. It was crappy for Kimi because he's been lambasted publicly and privately about his performance this season. He deserved to have the win and give his own season a much-needed boost of adrenaline.

That's not how it works though...

 

You don't deserve to win by virtue of being pole, or being leader at turn 1 on the first lap.

 

His race turned based on the decision to pit him into traffic. I agree with all who say that was a legitimate effort to get Seb in front of Kimi.

 

Do you think they purposely put Ricciardo ahead of Verstappen this year? It was the exact same call and situation as Ferrari were in.

Ferrari split strategy and the Vettel/Ricciardo strategy ended up being better. It doesn't always work out that way and usually the undercut works better and is the preferred strategy (which is what both Verstappen and Raikkonen got).

 

For ****s sake.

Big difference between getting a podium or winning the monaco GP.

Red Bull aren't even in the fight, a podium they'll take they don't care who it is.

The overcut works here, that was already proven...before any pitstops here Sky analysis also said the same thing, the overcut is the one you want here. That's a simple fact.

 

Do you honestly believe he would've moved out of the way? Kimi has no issue helping his team if they're either on split strategy or he's out of the championship, but he won't simply move over out of the lead of the monaco GP after not winning for years. Come on.

 

PS all is well between Kimi and Vettel, a pic of some football charity thing they're doing today
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And you don't deserve to win by virtue of being generally quicker throughout the season - or even for having better race pace on the day.

 

It seems odd to me that Ferrari's secret way to hand Vettel the win would be to put Kimi behind traffic. I would think that could cause all sorts of unexpected results... perhaps even costing a number 2 result. If it came to it, they'd just tell him to move over. I don't see the conspiracy. Ferrari have made more than enough poor strategy calls that have cost Vettel. They both have been on the dumber and costlier side of Ferrari strategy.

 

Spain last year. Kimi and max fighting for the lead vettel and ricciardo following suit. Sometimes strategies help sometimes they don't.

 

Well we know Kimi has/had neither of those. The only thing he had was the best time in Q3. So other than that I was just trying to understand the posters comment as to why Kimi "deserved to win".

edit: re your post in 'Kimi to Mercedes' thread, apparently you do believe the pole sitter deserves to win. Why even have a race in that case?

 

I don't think he deserves to win just because of getting pole.

But, when you do get pole, and you prove to be plenty racey enough on Sunday to win, never putting a wheel wrong, and it's a track that isn't conducive to passing, and you've been a pretty damn good soldier the past several years, you deserve to get a fair shake strategy-wise.

 

there you have it. Kimi pushed hard until Seb's pit exit. From that moment his mindset shifted from going for P1 to protecting P2.
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Pre-freaking-cisely!!!

 

So why would Ferrari risk anything like that with half of the race to go? I simply don´t get it...

 

Exactly my opinion...And if you tell him to move over Kimi would be regarded by EVERYONE as the winner of the race, so even without the result on the board he would feel like a winner rather than the looser in a game.

 

I just want to hear the full Ferrari radio.

 

Simple question:

If Kimi were faster than Vettel in the race, would any of this happened? NO.

Maybe the problem really was Kimi was too slow.