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250 LM Picture Thread

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  1. Ney

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    E brake handle.
     
  2. miurasv

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    #652 miurasv, Jun 19, 2017
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    It seems many, but not all, of the 250LMs built for racing were originally made in red and mostly China Red with one in green (5897 first to Piper) and another in metallic green (6167). 5995 was originally silver grey and still is. 6025 (which I don't think was actually built for racing?) was originally, and remains, white with a blue stripe.
     
  3. Marcel Massini

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    5995 was originally Rosso Cina with blue interior.
    5897 Verde BP.
    6167 Verde Bottiglia.
    6321 Rosso Torreador (not Cina).
    5891 Grigio Argento 18940 M with black stripe.
    6047 Rosso Cina with white stripe.

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. miurasv

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    Thanks.

    OP, as a 250LM fan you should buy Marcel's book Ferrari 250LM.
     
  5. Rossocorsa1

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    Great. I didn't know a book existed. Thanks.
     
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    Agree it is one of, or the most original, but far from the most desirable. That LM is in the Indianapolis museum.

    I actually feel sad in regards to #5975 because as far as I can tell it did only 2 minor events, and then has sat unused in a museum. This car was built to win races, and the sad fact is if you bought this one, you could not use it as almost any use would destroy that almost unused originality :(.
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    If i could choose one LM it had to be 5893: Ferraris last LM Winner and driven to victory by Austrian Jochen Rindt, the idol of my childhood.
    i know that the car was heavily crashed in 1968 and is not as original as others, but the history beats originality in this case.
    The long nose looks better on the LM than the short nose i.m.h.o.

    5907 would be a great choice too.
     
  13. michael platzer

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    5975 is not at the Indianapolis Museum but at the Schlupf Museum.
     
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    5975 I saw in Paris. Beautiful patina and most original 250LM.
    5893 Le Mans winner is a total mess, body wrong
    Original body bucks...if they survive; that could bring this car back to its former glory.
     
  15. michael platzer

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    The body, wrong or not is part of the cars racing history and dates back to the sixties.
    A new made body would destroy the car. It´s easy to build a new body in correct shape but you cant bring back history. What defines the crazy value of these cars? Its only history, nothing else.
     
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    You can use the existing body, no need for full rebody :)
    But do not bring this car to Classiche...
     
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    Enzo initially did want 100 units built to compete in GT Racing, but the FIA would not homologate them.

    "Unfortunately for Ferrari, the FIA was not convinced that the rear engine 250LM was a version of the front-engine 250 GT which had the necessary production figures for homologation. While both the cars shared the same engine, they were radically different in concept. Ferrari’s attempt to bully the FIA by threatening to boycott several events, including F1 entries, did not sway the officials; the 250LM would race as a prototype instead of a road car."
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    Agree.
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    I know. I never said it was in the Indianapolis museum. The Le Mans winner is, ie. I meant the most desirable LM is in the Indy museum.
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    Agree.

    Tomgt, don't get why you would ever want to undo #5983's history?. It is history that matters, not correct shape. Classiche is silly if they would not stamp/approve a car with documented continuous history.
    Pete
     
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    Every humanbeing, maybe even my dogs, know this story :) ;)

    Best
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    So many Ferraris with history and rebodies have been converted back to its original form :)
    LM car just doesnt look correct. I would have body restored to LM 65.
     
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    As discussed by Janos Wimpffen and others, the FIA/ CSi had wanted to boost the new GT category so agreed to homologate the Lightweight E-Type Jag, Zagato Aston DB4 and the Ferrari GTO as mere developments from their basic GT versions that were already approved even though they technically didn't meet the letter of the law and should have had 100 examples built before homologation. By late 1963 they were now sure of the categories success and had seen a renaissance in the prototype category so when Enzo put in an application for the 250LM, they quickly realized that none of the three aforementioned cars had been produced in the quantities the makers promised would be built AND that this car was so vastly different from the 250GT/GTO series, it was taking the proverbial P:ss.
     
  25. Marcel Massini

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    5983 is a 500 Superfast.
    5893 you mean for the 250 LM.

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