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Vettel and Hamilton 'collide'

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  1. P.Singhof

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    That is actually not true...The FIA only confirmed that he "did not brake more than the lap before" ;)
     
  2. Bas

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    Not the first time Lauda has been setting fires.
     
  3. Bas

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    Exactly, glad I'm not the only one that picked up on that!
     
  4. itschris

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    I do think this entire thing is being overdone...especially with Lewis and the "think of the children" comment. Big f-ing deal. What danger? They were going 25 or 30 mph! It's not like Seb slammed into him going full throttle through Eau Rouge for Pete sake. Stupid? Yes... absolutely because it likely cost him the race. At the same time, I actually like to see raw emotion and not this constant sanitized BS these drivers spew. Over and done... nothing to see here anymore.
     
  5. 05011994

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    And the lap before was behind the pace car, kind of a weak argument by the FIA that a lap behind a pace car that was going too slowly (Lewis' complaint) is the same as the last corner going to green flag racing....
     
  6. douglas360

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    Dumb question but what conditions make the rear red light on F1 cars actually light up? I can never quite figure it out; there seems to be no rhyme or reason.
     
  7. I know for one....rain. 'Not sure otherwise.
     
  8. ago car nut

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    Something about the recharge rate. Why I don't know?
     
  9. ago car nut

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    At one time I really liked Lauda! Not at all now. Go retire!
     
  10. "Something about the recharge rate. Why I don't know?"

    Those are on the top...red and green for everyone else to know when the car is lit up or not so they don't get zapped touching it. They're not the taillight that flashes in the rain for visibility.
     
  11. ricksb

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    But then the guy in front is a sitting duck, as the trailing cars all have the advantage of drafting off of him and passing, ESPECIALLY with a long straight like at Baku. I agree with Peter's read of the situation (Ham slowed to make everyone else brake and then take off so that he wouldn't be drafted and passed) but I don't see how removing the strategy would keep the lead car safe, unless the FIA says no passing for one lap after the Safety Car is in...but what fun would that be?
     
  12. P.Singhof

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    But I thought there is one in the back as well showing the following driver whether the one in front has Battery power left or not as it makes a big difference in accelerating...Or am I wrong?
     
  13. Bas

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    No you're correct

    The ''rear light'' functions as a rain light (flashing constantly) and also when the car is ''derating'', so basically charging the battery meaning acceleration won't be as strong as the car following. It's a warning system for the car behind, quite simply because it can happen quite sudden and if the following car still is using battery power the difference in acceleration is quite big, so it's to avoid a big shunt.

    The rear light does not function as a brake light, ever.
     
  14. PSk

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    Not quite. The tail light flashes when the battery is being charged by the generator braking the car, so following drivers are aware the car is slowing unexpectedly.
    Pete
     
  15. P.Singhof

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    Thanks :)
     
  16. merstheman

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    My favorite thing about this whole mess is that Hamilton's race-losing issue only happened because he decided to get out of the car and do some second rate "look at how angry I am" theatre. No one mentions that, but it's the best part IMO.

    They both act like kids but Hamilton has a phd in theatrics. Vettel seemed to have matured from his toys out of the pram Red Bull days but Sunday showed he still has it in him.

    I still think it's going to make for good viewing. Hope he never apologizes. I also hope he wins the WDC this year so Hamilton gets extra sour...
     
  17. TifosiUSA

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    Yes both have some growing up to do. Vettel is a hothead and Hamilton cries about everything and has a diva persona.

    I'll take Vettel.
     
  18. 444sp

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    In my point of view the two drivers should have been penalized, not just Vettel.
    The two faults must have been sanctioned.
    We all know that Hamilton has a kind of crown in the FIA and is never sanctioned.
    Hamilton really seems to me to be a malicious sportsman with very perverse intentions, always trying provocative moves against their rivals, seeking to get them out of their minds, as he did the previous years with Rosberg.
    My advice to Vettel is to assume that Hamilton will try to play with his head and try to provoke him always. He must be intelligent and do not get into his game.
    It is expected that in case of having a Safety Car again, with Hamilton in the first position and Vettel second will try again braking and deceleration maneuvers, I think that Vettel should try to point the edges of the front wing to the center of the rear tires in order to cause a puncture in the Mercedes tires, in the case of Hamilton producing these malicious braking and deceleration maneuvers.
     
  19. Remy Zero

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    I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
     
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    Steady deceleration.
     
  22. cmos

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    Good stuff - thanks.
     
  23. maulaf

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    Is that stuff based on GPS?
    At the first impact Vettel is 6 m behind Hamilton?

    Prior to impact 1 Hamilton has an accelleration period of 0.4 seconds. If the velocity is based on GPS, then this short accelleration might have been noise.
     
  24. F12JAJ

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    There's no question that Hamilton hit the brakes and he hit them at a very specific place just coming out of a turn specifically to blindside Vettel. It was done for a very specific reason. Vettel would have to hit his brakes and at that point Hamilton would speed up and get an advantage on the green flag that's about to come down to restart the race. It was a win-win situation for Hamilton as Vettel is the one with all the soft parts of the car in the front in case of a commission. That all should've obviously been in tune to Hamiltons and ticks, however, karma is a b***h and Hamilton got exactly what he deserved with the head rest miraculously popping up during the race. As the battle, I really do not think he intended to hit Hamilton the second time when he was flipping him the bird but in the heat of passion he must've jerked the steering wheel and bumped them as he was very animated and turning toward Hamilton as he pulled along side of him.


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