488 GTO ?

NA is dead. There is no way back. A 4.5 NA including KERS will never reach the performance figures of the 3.9l biturbo engine. Such a combination makes no sense.

From a marketing perspective it makes a lot of sense to launch first a complete new power unit (V6 3.0l with KERS, shorter and lighter as a V8 with KERS) which is also usable for other models inside the FCA Group. And the current V8 Biturbo is the engine of the year 2016 and 2017, it makes no sense to complement this engine already with a KERS unit.

But I can also be wrong...

 

Well, don’t get me wrong but I hope that you are not completely right

What do you guys think about other Ferraris following the GtC4 Lusso approach of having different engine variants in the same model?

 

I doubt they will ever do that. They need to keep their mid engine V8 line and Front engine V12 unique to each other. The duel engine thing in the GTC4Lusso was probably one of two things....or both.

-a way to move more GTC4Lusso's

- an experiment to see which engine people prefer as well as drivetrain layout (AWD/RWD)

 

I disagree. Mild hybrid would possibly be possible through gearbox assist, a stepping stone to full hybrid.

 

next model.....not the 488 GTO. Too limited # to justify the cost of change. I remember not long ago they were saying the F12 was the last of the naturally aspirated V12....

......then we got the F12 tdf........then the all new 812 Superfast came out. Soooooo they were dead wrong about the F12 and its successor being a hybrid.

 

More mechanical grip, more aero grip, another 100hp, and 200kg less would be an amazing 488 GTO (for me anyway).

 

The 812 is the mid-season refresh of the F12 per Ferrari's standard published plan. Its replacement will not be out for a while.

 

Not sure if I agree. Ferrari need to "destroy" Mclaren (and Porsche) with the 488 SV and prove that the 720 being a new car is not even "as good" as Ferrari's older car.

We will know soon though

 

The question that has to be asked is when all this "paper racing" will come to an end, with 660 bhp the 488 is already hugely fast and the opportunities available to use that power are few and far between.

 

I agree that it will be a while till the 812 replacement comes out BUT it is still the successor to the F12 and is its replacement with many many changes. Jut as the 488 is the successor to the 458 and although they look similar the changes are many. So I stand by my statement that people were wrong when they thought the F12 was the last N/A V12. The 812 even went so far to increase its displacement in an age of downsized turbos and hybridization.

 

Ferraris does not need to "destroy" MaLaren, Ferrari will follow on its own strategy.

Ferrari has a wider product portfolio as McLaren, they are able to address a wider market segment as McLaren. With the 720S McLaren has positioned his super series between the V8 mid/rear engine product line and the front/mid engine V12 GT. On the one hand clever, on the other hand McLaren had no other options.

Regarding the 488 GTO: the Ferrari 488GTB is consciously tuned slightly more as a granturismo as the predecessor 458 Italia was. This leaves more space for a super-sharp GTO with an extreme specification. The difference between GTB and GTO will be more pronounced as it was between Italia and Speciale.

At the end, Ferrari will reaches a significantly broader market segment than before (and as McLaren).

 

I don't know who suggested that the 812 would be a hybrid as it was clear it never would be. That was always for the successor.

 

Ferrari would make the same concept as Porsche. Speciale ( GT3 ) and the GTO ( GT3 RS)

 

I doubt it, not convenient to dilute in such a way different degrees of sportyness to exaggeration like Porsche does, nonsense for Ferrari and their customers, a speciale/GTO and a speciale A are more than enough.

 

in the best case +50hp
in the best case -100kg

More mechanical grip -checked
more aero grip-checked

 

even if the 488 GTO dosen't beat out its competitors I bet it will be the car that everyone will rave about and agree that they would want in their garage due to its sheer power and driving pleasure

 

I wish that is what they did with the 488, increased displacement and kept the NA v8 for one more generation. Say what they want but the 458 was chosen over the 12c and 650s despite being slower and that NA v8 had a huge play into that. Now the 488 has to be faster to please people because now they are both turbo cars.

 

I have a hunch the 488 GTO will be like when the F12 tdf came out.........a modern day version of Ferrari's of old. Like the F12 tdf was a modern day 250 GTO/250 tdf, the 488 GTO will be a modern 288 GTO.

The F12 tdf sure didn't disappoint and the 488 GTO won't either

 

Do not agree that the 812 replaces the F12/TDF to any degree. Same basic platform. The replacement will have its own chassis and not be billed as the newer version of an F12. I also see no surprises to Ferrari's seven year old well published timeline for its flagship offering.

Is it a fact that the VS for the 488 will carry the GTO badge? Where are the 599ers and the outrage?

 

so if i went to order a brand new F12 from a dealer, what do i say to them when they say "We do sell the F12 as it was replaced by the 812 Superfast"?

I get it, its an evolution not a revolution........but come on

 

That's because it is not a fact.......and it won't.

 

can not say for sure it won't be called the GTO

 

Makes sense that it would carry the GTO badge as modern version of the 280 GTO. Ferrari has a mid engine V8 twin turbo model, in the 488. Looking at the possibility that the 488 replacement might be a NA/Kers hybrid. If not now for a modern 280GTO....then when?

 

GTO moniker should not be use on a 488... thats a sad sad shame

 

why the shame??
288 gto was a 308!