Vettel and Hamilton 'collide'

Oh. Okay.

Nowwww I understand.....

 

Seb doesn't need to hide. He is simply handling this poorly and Elton Ham-Dashian has the Merc PR machine behind him. Bottom line Elton slowed drastically in a blind spot and caused a collision with damage. Seb intentionally or not hit him and didn't cause any damage at all because it was slowly rubber hitting rubber. They both got a punished in one way or another. For the pathetic press and users on this forum complaining that Seb should receive further punishment should go bathe with a toaster. Seb should have owned what he did and said yes I did bump him to get his attention in a way I knew would not damage the cars.

 

That is fantastic information, as my first post I would like to compare the same data through the same curves for the previous two laps in the same safety car period.

Is your source something you would share? If not would you be able to tell if Hamilton behaved the same way the lap before and the lap before that?

 

The graph tells us all we need to know.

Look at it RIGHT before impact. Sharp deceleration on Hamiltons part, barely any acceleration on Vettel's.

 

Looks to me that Hamilton decelerated in a steady way with light braking,then actually INCREASES his speed very slightly RIGHT before the first impact,meanwhile Vettel was faster and closing on Lewis all the time that Lewis was decelerating,Vettel did not match Lewis steady deceleration ,then ran into the back of him because he was anticipating Lewis hitting the loud pedal ...unfortuneately for Vettel ,Lewis actually then maintained his speed.

The second hit ..well that is pretty self obvious.

 

So the stewards/FIA are choosing to interpret the telemetry data in LH's favor?

 

I believe it has been reported (e.g Autosport) that the stewards said there is no evidence of Lewis either braking and/or lifting off the throttle excessively before the first impact (or words to that effect)

I would imagine they have a lot more data than has been posted on here,so far.

When you look at he race video ,yes it looks like Lewis did brake test Vettel,i also thought that initially.i assume the stewards did not agree with that,otherwise they would have also penalised Lewis.

 

There might not be any empirical evidence, or evidence that is too subtle to interpret, but there's implied intent, and ts easy to see that LH was baiting Vettel.

 

The rules state that the leading driver can´t drive "erratically". Hamilton didn´t brake, but he didn´t accelerate in a place where he should be accelerating, so one could argue that he was driving "erratically".

In any case, it was not Hamilton´s fault: it´s just that the rules were written by a moron and are too vague.

 

In a normal race yes you of course accelerate out of the corner ...this time they were still behind the SAFETY car,the lead car controls the pace, not the driver pushing him from behind..Vettel anticipated that lewis would speed up exiting the corner and was too close to avoid running into the back of Lewis.

 

The graphic telemetry clearly shows LH braking after the apex?

 

The one we that has been posted here just shows the speed v time ,i have read someone here posted that he continued to brake lightly all the way through the corner, although i have not seen any evidence of that myself.

 

+1 agree

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw23umegK3w&spfreload=10

'FIA' Telemetry data

 

Exactly my opinion.

Vettel was caught by his own impatience; he anticipated an acceleration that Lewis never initiated.

A bit like road driving bumper-to-bumper in congested traffic really: lots of collisions there too !!!

The golden rule is to follow the leader who decides when the restart happens.

 

+1

 

Good point.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Exactly!

 

So why didn't he avoid???

 

It is interesting as it is just as this movie with the braking/throttle lights over the onboard of Hamilton.
It is noteworthy that this graph says a "steady deceleration" although this is not what is seen in the graph!!! One can see that Lewis is braking until he reaches the apex and for a short while there is no deceleration at all -> at this time Lewis released the brake which is also seen in the onboard-footage. Then he brakes again as strong (or weak) as before arriving at the apex as the deceleration is about as much as before the apex.
So a guy is braking into the corner and then releases the brake, what would you expect after that when following? That he accelerates once he is at the apex or that he starts again to brake afterwards??? I guess 99% of you would crash into the car in front if he did that so I still do not think Lewis did something "expectable" as said by the stewards...
It is simply wrong according to the graph that Lewis did drive steady on the brake...

 

I assure you that if I were in my kart and the guy in front of me did that, I would have run into the back of him. The expectation is ALWAYS that the driver will accelerate out of the corner. Ever four year olds in karts know that.

 

Exactly and Hamilton did what he did with a purpose of achieving an advantage over Vettel at restart and knew that either Vettel will hit his brakes and have a terrible restart or he will bump him and damage the fragile nose of his F car.


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Except when you are behind a SAFETY car.