Exactly. They were not in racing conditions, but in convoy behind a safety car. The leader is the pacesetter, and the others follow. Vettel was following too close anyway and is the author of his own misfortune. But instead of eating humble pie, he went of to chastise Hamilton. He overtook the leading car (a big NO NO) and went on to bang wheels? When told he had a 10sec pit stop penalty, he had the audacity to question it!! He is lucky not to have had a black flag and a one race ban for his attitude. Why can't people see that???
Some folks cannot accept the truth because they are blinded by the red mist aimed at Hamilton,just like Vettel.
Lewis, is this you posting under the alias of Ferrari 308 GTB. Ah Elton you're so cute. A bit needy and desperate however. One day you'll be a real boy.
I take that as a compliment ,thanks. Your alias came into existence 300 million years before dinosaurs existed,amazing.
Again??? The truth is that Lewis braked. I do not know why you say we only see that because of "hate". Those are facts and the rest is opinion but again other opinions are labeled as hate and at the same time you talk about censorship... Gesendet von meinem SM-G800F mit Tapatalk
I have never used the H word.That is a fact. Yes Lewis braked,but not excessively according to the stewards.That is a fact. Why do you have to continue accusing others of labelling things as H? I for one am not.
No it is not a fact...it is only their Interpretation of facts, that is a difference... So you don't use "hate" but "Red Mist against" Lewis...yeah big difference ;-) Gesendet von meinem SM-G800F mit Tapatalk
Still you say that other opinions are not based on the right judgement whereas yours are....Now you are splitting hairs. Gesendet von meinem SM-G800F mit Tapatalk
I am looking at the same information from Baku that everyone else has,and the decisions made so far.Everyone is of course entitled to their own personal opinion.Some may agree with decisions others may not,so be it . At the end of the day the FIA will decide,and then of course we are all free to agree of disagree.
Well actually, when the FIA makes the rules and enforces the rules, and the FIA says explicitly that Hamilton's driving on the safety car restart laps was consistent from restart to restart and did not constitute excessive braking or a brake check and was also consistent with the requirements to allow a gap to the safety car before the safety car leaves the track onto the pit lane... then it IS fact, because it's their rules and they decide what's OK and what's not OK. It's actually hilarious to read all the posts here about how Hamilton absolutely brake checked Vettel and deserves equal punishment and equal blame for the incident, even though the FIA specifically investigated this and specifically stated that Hamilton did not brake check Vettel, did not brake excessively, and drove a normal safety car restart. Do you people know anything about safety car restarts and the process on the restart lap, how it's been handled for the last decade, and do you not know that Hamilton handled these restarts the same way every other leader handles the safety car restarts? I'm seriously wondering, because aside from Vettel screwing up and running into the back of Hamilton because he was following too closely and wasn't paying attention, Hamilton drove a textbook restart, same as all the other safety car restarts by himself and other drivers at other tracks. Why don't you dig out the telemetry traces for safety car restarts from other races, lead by Hamilton and others, and see the speed profiles on the restart laps and see how the drivers ALWAYS slow down to create the gap to the safety car?? I hate to say it, but it's blatantly obvious that people protesting Hamilton's actions on the restart are either 1) completely ignorant of F1 safety car restarts; or 2) Hamilton Haters who dislike the driver so much that they're willing to completely ignore the evidence of the telemetry and just make up false accusations.
No, some of us have been, or currently are, racers, and have been in similar situations, and when we see clearly what happened on board and with video clarifying brakes being applied at a point they wouldn't be by anyone with a brain cell, then we also are factually aware that elton brake checked Sebastian, and we also have historical incidents where he has done exactly that to other drivers, with varying results. Just because you love elton, it doesn't make you experts on F1, racing, or anything, it's just makes you elton fans supporting their rather flawed driver You are also the guys that argued he wasn't responsible for the crash in Spain with Nico, claiming it was nicos responsibility to make sure the car behind wasn't in danger, and could pass safely even though he was in the lead, yet here, you argue he isn't responsible to making sure the following pack is able to proceed safely. Make your minds up, ahhh, who am I kidding, the truth doesn't matter to elton fans, only him getting away with his sneaky cheating ways, crashing and bashing his way around and threatening to leave Mercedes if they don't make everyone in the team work towards only him. Bet you are terrified bottles is creeping up on elton in the points quietly and efficiently, and soon, he won't be able to even ask the team to slow him down as he will be their leading driver, all the while Seb will be zeroing in on title number five, with Nico giggling away at Elton's exposure as a fraud
Take a break and consider wording. A part of what P Singhof is going on about is not connected to the incident but to how people make use of and reference information. The quality of your information is typically what is supposed to strengthen your argument. Facts are Hamilton's braking conditions which are publicly available to everyone. Fact is that the FIA has interpreted these. The FIA's report, however, is an interpretation backed by facts. This can contain opinion, estimates etc... The outcome of the report is not a fact. I suppose what constitutes a brake check needs to be based on opinion, making an entire report not a fact. This all is not supposed to weaken or strengthen anything you say. It is just that this forum, especially with controversial topics gets so derailed by all sorts of facts being thrown around that just simply aren't.
If the FIA have even a crumble of brain they won't do anything about this and opened the investigation just to keep hamilton off the phone
Thanks. Finally one who actually reads what I said without judging according to own preference. Gesendet von meinem SM-G800F mit Tapatalk
Absolutely! 'Dang proud of it. Many years ago a wise gent I worked for whilst in high school (to support my slotcar racing 'til I got sponsored by a parts distributor) clued me ('also turned me on to "Prevention" magazine back in the sixties when everyone rebuked holistic healthcare).... " 'Want to be right about something? Find the minority opinion and go with it. The masses are usually wrong." I've pretty much stuck with that advice, thank you very much. Regarding this incident, and having raced myself, I would have done what Lewis did in his situation, and not done what Fernando did in his. I would have avoided Lewis and said "Dang it! He got me" to myself. That simple. 'Been there, done that. Both ends of the stick. That's racing.
When I was racing, I enjoyed racing against people that took the attitude 'dang it, he got me' and rolled over. They were the first guys I stuck the front end of my bike under through corners as they always backed off first. Thanks for making it easy for me. The guys I respected were those that raced like I did, with a desire to get everywhere first, no prisoners, if you are coming through I'll make it tough, cos they were the winners and I wanted to be one. I still do it now when invited to race, and I drive offensively onthe road too. Outside my property, there is a fast dual carriageway onto which you get to go anywhere at all, when I leave my gates, I can see the junction into that, and I can see traffic whizzing past. I get butterflies as I race to the junction, get out as fast as possible, and then my goal is to race and catch as many as I can before the end of the dual carriageway, about half a mile, just for no other reason than to be as many cars ahead in the traffic from where I should have been if I was normal (and I just know I'm not! Hehe)
Nope. Even then. It's the natural inclination which means that for Hamilton to respond differently, it was decidedly intentional. Anyone who doesn't think so needs to spend some time on a track and think again.
Geographical breakdown of Vettel poll. Red is he should be DQ'd from Baku, pink is the penalty he served was enough. Interesting or entirely predictable? Image Unavailable, Please Login
