The Ferrari SUV Thread

Kinda, or more like this https://goo.gl/images/yizUvp

 

I do not like SUVs but it looks pretty good.
This was the image that I wanted to publish and it did not come out.

https://static.motor.es/fotos-noticias/2017/07/min652x435/ferrari-f16x-suv-2021-201737621_4.jpg

 

Ferrari executives are short sighted making this SUV, the Ferrari core enthusiests like on here who are very educated on the history of Ferrari are gonna get angry at Ferrari for selling out. Ferrari will be just a high end car maker like Porsche became, the performance may be there but the exclusivity won't.

The true dream cars will be the Saleens, koenigsegg, and these new 3D printed exotics. From what they say you will be able to replicate 3D print any car you want. 250GTO 3D printed car lol.

 

Saleens?!?! LOL

 

I'm with you Rob. If Ferrari do an SUV the only thing it will do is firmly secure McLaren's future. Ferrari are not Porsche. Period.

 

Whats wrong with that ?

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They already produce a 4x4 station wagon that only comes with an automatic.

What difference does an additional 3" of ground clearance make?

 

I think its the image SUV name makes, think Ford Explorer, Ferrari wants to be a Me Too and make one, how innovative.

 

A shooting break is a very sporty style of European car and is 2 doors not 4. The Ferrai V12 in front is the icing on the cake. A 4 door or an SUV is nothing remotely similar.

 

The Ferrari SUV must be something like Zarooq SandRacer 500 GT.

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I don't want to insult anyone, but the people who don't think there's anything wrong with Ferrari making an SUV just don't get it. Enzo Ferrari only built road cars to fund his racing efforts, and the cars he did sell for public use were built with the "always build one less than the market demands" mantra.

Not only would a Ferrari SUV be a complete abomination for the Ferrari brand, but it would go completely against Enzo's core philosophies.

What FCA SHOULD have done was put Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, and Maserati in a division separate from all its other brands (Chrysler, Jeep, Ram, etc) and laddered them to put Ferrari at the top, Maserati just below Ferrari, and Alfa Romeo below Maserati. Ferrari would focus only on high-performance supercars such as the 488 GTB, F12/812, and etc. Maserati would be positioned at a higher level than they are currently and would only focus on exclusive luxury cars. This would mean the Quattroporte would compete more with the likes of the Bentley Flying Spur, Rolls-Royce Ghost, and etc. The GranTurismo would occupy the space filled currently by the California/T and compete with the Continental GTC, DB9/DB11, and the like. The Ghibli would have to go away. Maserati would also be in charge of the super-lux SUVs and would be competing with the top-end Land Rovers, G65 AMGs, and Bentaygas. The bottom of Maserati's lineup would be cut off about where the current GranTurismo is (i.e. nothing below a 911 Turbo/AMG GT competitor). Alfa Romeo would then be the volume brand and occupy the rest of the performance-luxury market. The Guilia would compete with the 3-Series/A4/C-Class, and a larger offering would compete with the 5-Series/A6/E-Class. Alfa's lineup would top out with something along the lines of the current Quattroporte (except with an Alfa badge) that would compete with the 7-Series/A8/S-Class. Sprinkle in a better 4C to compete with the Cayman and Corvette, and a few SUVs to compete with the GLC, GLE, and GLS-Classes, along with Quadrifoglio variants of certain models, and the model range would be pretty much complete.

 

Ferrari will build an SUV..and people will buy it, and they will make a profit..oh well, watcha gonna do? They will also be forced to build electric cars too..the horror!! Ferrari builds cars for profit. They build nice cars, but they are a money making machine.

 

A shooting brake is simply a 2 door station wagon -- something almost every manufacturer has created throughout the ages. The V12 argument is moot as well, given the fact that the V8 now lives in the LussoT.

Would a Bentley style super sedan with the horse be terrible? A 4-door "shooting brake"? Ferrari has already built both of those.

Again, a crossover with a bit more clearance and a taller seat is almost the same car. And certainly easier for an aging population to enter and exit.

 

Agreed. Felt the same way about Porsche (see post #61)

Joe

 

Really? I think Mr. Enzo Ferrari simply wanted to win. And selling the cars was a means to an end. I wonder what he would have made out of cars with AWD. And blue tooth. And double glazed glass. And panoramic roof. And ventilated and heated seats. And cup holders. Who is to say they won't continue to make one less than the market demand? And maybe we should see what they come up with before we judge. After all, I remember a lot of angst when they stopped making stick shift cars. How has that worked out? Maybe they're know what they are doing? It's worth considering.

 

To say the SUV will not change Ferraris image and Ferrari can and will make whatever they want in the goal of profit is wishful thinking.

Porsche used to be a rare almost exotic sports car that ace drivers would own, now it's a pathetic shell of itself making huge 4 door Panamera and Cayenne housewife transports.

When the Porsche family stepped down the greedy executives took charge diluted wrecked the brand after the 993. I had many air cooled 911s back in the day they used to get different reactions vs today no one pays much attention to them, this after I drove a lime green Turbo 911.

Same thing can happen with Ferrari, they may even dilute the brand further with other "brilliant " ideas like this SUV making them just another high end car maker.

 

Old news....
They did build an SUV already. The FF.
Hatchback, 4 seater, and 4 wheel drive. <- SUV.

BTW, It's Awesome! I loved it so much.

 

It was going to happen eventually, not that really worked up over it.

I'd just want to see one run the Paris Dakar Rally.

 

Whats wrong with all the GT cars that have come out over the last 15 years or so? In the 90s the States never got the really cool Porsches. I think things for Porsche over the last 2 decades have been really good here in the states. Main thing I don't like now is 4 wheel steering as I see that as a pain to maintain down the road but everything else is pretty solid imo despite the SUV and Sedan being around.

 

I don't have an issue with the high performance Porsches especially the GT3 but the brand has been so diluted with mass production of the women oriented market cars such as the Panamera or Cayenne its cheapened the brand and made it a confused brand. These cars are for the Women that's who I see drive them. The macho Porsche skilled driver image is gone. People used to gawk admire Porsche 911s especially women now they just don't get the same reactions the image has changed.

It's not a different culture today or me cause when I drive my Diablo people got nuts women yell or try and get my attention even if my wife who is a model is with me as if she's not there Lol

 

Frankly the problem with car companies and cars is that most customers seemto buy image and think its important instead of the product. That means product suffers because who cares about the 10% of buyers who really know or care. Thats a double edged sword. No one buys lotus because of image but its the best driving car you can buy, yet people here prostrate themselvs for ferrari which are mostly luxo Gts.

In my book ferrari lost the plot long ago, when it became almost exclusvivly a purveyor of Gt handbags for wealthy men and women. Yeah its been a sucessful formula. But if an suv also begats profit to pay for and brand need for some great drivers cars for the minority, I am all for it.

At least that formula at porche has given us the Gt3 and Gt4, these cars are for the 105 who can teel the fdfference and care. Would they exists if porche didnt serve the other 90% and need the halo and cred generated by these the limited appeal cars to sell the rest?

Ill bet that if porche only made 10k sportscars we wouldnt have the Gt3 and Gt4. I care not one whit what the porche "brand" stands for in other eyes or if peopel notice it. I do care that they make two very awesome cars. I have my own taste and dont need others to reckognise what I drive to feel good about it or want it. Nor do I want the attention. But I guess in C&C/comcors/valet world where no one drives the attention at 30mph is what these cars are about for most.

Frankly I think ferraris image hit a new low with the cali. What does ferrari stand for today. F1 wins that people follow like religion, schlocky mercandise and a car for rich walter mtitty tossers who cant drive but want to project ersatz race car driver image of themselvs with an overlay of sucess. 90% of ferrari drivers today are to race driver what a new harley rider is to a hells angels.

Frankly I'll take an suv for the tossers and on the opposite end of the spectrum hopefully the profits allow a return to some great sportscars for us to enjoy and to "revitalize" the brand image amongst those who drive and their attendat followers.. Porche seems to offer the whole bandwidth from suvs to gt4s and ferrari would do well to make some truly seminal drivers cars again. If an suv pays for that and gives the handbag crowd an outlet thats great.

BTW Enzo made some truely horrid big V12 2+2's the queen mother come to mind and the 400I auto was nothing great even then. If profits pay for great cars, and great cars are necessary to underpin the brand cred its a win win to me.

NBo problem with an suv if it brings back some great hard core car. What we have now is expensive Gt cars mostly enginered for non drivers to use, that can turn a quick lap, not that anyone is tracking them, but paper numbers sell.

As lotus shows great drivers cars sell to a few, you need income genrators to pay for the great cars, and the great cars give the income genrators(suvs and gts) the cred they need to sell at premium. Its a virtuous circle.

 

I was like "Go, Boxer, Go!!" until this comment. [emoji6]

Seriously though, you raise a good point; if greater profits from SUV sales were not put into offering more driver-oriented Ferrari that harken back to the Enzo era cars - 2 seats, lightweight, manual tranny, crappy A.C. - and which are still available to the unwashed masses, then that would be disappointing, to me anyway.
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I'll agree Lotus is probably the only true exotic car maker with race heritage that hasn't sold its self out.