Bottas to get 5 place grid penalty.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-grid-penalty-british-gp-gearbox-mercedes-930630/

How fortuitous that it's taken at the British GP, just as he is gaining momentum on Hamilton.

 

Every little bit helps.

 

Well, if it's like Baku, Bottas will pip Vettel in the last lap to finish second behind Hamilton.

I'm just kidding ...

 

Shame for Bottas but good for us. I expect a Ferrari double podium.

 

Not necessarily. The only thing better for us is Hamilton finishing behind Vettel, and with as many positions as possible. With Bottas further behind, it'd be much harder for him to slot between Vettel and Hamilton. We'll see. But if both Ferraris end up on the podium, it'd be better for the WCC for sure. We'll see.

 

WTF. What a shame, guess the brits are worried he will trounce their little ballerina again.

 

These grid penalties are ridiculous and detract from the sport. The driver should not be penalized for these mechanical changes. Deduct manufacturers' points (which they effectively do anyway) or something else, but stop these stupid grid penalties that unfairly hurt the drivers and, in my opinion, tarnish the WDC.

 

I consider Bottas and Hamilton to be equivalent enemies at this stage. I wouldn't root for either one over the other at any given race until (and if) one is well down in points.

 

I agree.

Penalise the team, not the driver.

 

I completely agree! Take them off team points but do not penalize the drivers.

It's stupid.

 

And frankly, I don't think even the teams should be penalized over some artificial "cost saving" rules. It probably costs more to develop a (nearly) bulletproof gearbox than it does to just plug in a new or rebuilt one after two or three races.

 

+1

 

Me too in general, but right now, a VB/SV/LH podium would increase Vettel's lead 3 pts, whereas a LH/SV/VB would decrease it 7. But the better question is if MB will allow Bottas to finish above Hamilton if they can avoid it. And even if somehow it happens, with so much spread from 1st to 2nd, and so many races left, Vettel has to win some more races to have a shot at another WDC. I was disappointed to see PR1 results, but hopefully the difference will shrink by qualy. We'll need all the luck we can get, including reliability and rain. But it's time.

 

That is a good idea in theory, but it would lead to teams intentionally taking the WCC points penalty by switching out parts to give an advantage to their driver to win races (and WDC) rather than making parts that last long enough at the expense of performance and never winning.

I think they would all be okay throwing away WCC points if it meant their car would win the WDC and a ton of races with all the positive press and coverage that comes with that. Teams with big budgets could afford to replace everything and make cars that last 1 race and dominate. Who cares if they don't get the WCC? They'd win everything including the WDC and everyone would know they are the true WCC if it wasn't for technicalities.

I think they should allow as much testing and parts changes as they want (I don't care about costs or small teams that will never win) or do the extreme and send people to the back of the grid for any parts change or illegal testing. Extreme ends, but it's better imo than these intermediate level penalties.

 

Very true.

 

Again true. This was put into place because the teams can't control their own costs. So they penalize them. But the truth is they spend the money anyway on making the engines and gearboxes bullet proof.

I miss the days of a good ol' ka-Bloom! out the back. What would NASCAR be without 10 car crashes every race?

Penalties for dumb things like gearbox changes hurt the fans. That's not a good thing.

 

+1

Back when it was simple....great noises, too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMC1LwA_Y4Y

200K engine failure. A fraction of the development cost, a fraction of component cost...far less complicated. Win Win Win.

With continues engine development at the time, and more than 1 engine per weekend, teams where spending less on engines in the early 2000s than they do now!

Madness.

 

" guess the brits are worried '' and what are you FRENCH!

 

Yes. The same mindset now pushes for cockpit protection as an over reaction to a death that the very same cockpit protection almost certainly would not have prevented anyway.

Stupidity.

 

If you can't stand his comments, why don't you block him?

 

That would be no fun Sid's ok I just like to counter his claims

 

Actually, just so you know, my heritage is Sicilian and English. However, I gravitate towards the US and all she stands for, and have no love whatsoever for England, I work hard to make things good for an emigration to Las Vegas. In the meantime, I don't know why people expect brits to all be fans of elton, cos many are not. There are far more followers of team, than driver, demonstrated by the tifosi of ferrari outnumbering just about any other fan base from manufacturer to driver at most, if not all GP