2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX BRITISH GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

+1 and welcome back!! Too early to predict. There are trends but they can change when the lights go out to all our shock!

 

Great attitude! You can't abandon your team when they need you most!

 

The Ferrari is good through the corners. We just need more power !

 

Nope, he drove for wiiliams and got a pole position for them in a pig of a car...he was wanted by Renault and was Mercedes first choice when rosberg left but Renault would not release him.

 

Don´t pay any attention to that, the guy hasn´t got a clue. Piero Ferrari has little say in what the F1 team does and suggesting that he has some sort of mental disease is plain idiotic. Actually, Piero Ferrari was very cautious at the beginning of the season: he predicted three wins, so for him it´s already mission acomplished.

He also complains about that Ferrari is just spending money in hiring big names. He probably complained too when they put Mattia Binotto in charge because he´s not a big name like Adrian Newey.

Ingegnere di lunedi!! Everybody is a f*** expert.

 

- Tyre compounds used and pit stops per Pirelli

- Rake angles comparison between the top 3
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Hmmm. Kimi did 25, Seb 32, Max 30 and Mag 37 on new softs, while Bottas did 32 on used softs. Ricci did 32 on new supers!

 

Pitting...now lunch. 63 laps chalked up by @Anto_Giovinazzi this morning at @SilverstoneUK. @pirellisport #TireTest #HaasF1

These guys have not left the track
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Too many modern F1 races are now won on Saturday. Merc seem to get this more than anyone and we've talked about this for the past 3 years about how Merc can just turn the knob back in the trailer and get an extra 25 or more HP out of the car.

Seb commented on how they get more than a half a second just on the straights during qually. Vettel: Mercedes' qualy pace a gamechanger | PlanetF1 : PlanetF1

Mercedes’ ability to turn up their engine in qualifying is proving to be a “gamechanger” according to Sebastian Vettel.

Halfway through this year’s championship and Mercedes are leading the race for pole positions, eight to Ferrari’s two.

They are also ahead in race wins with six to Sebastian Vettel’s three. Red Bull have one.

And with Vettel’s last race win coming at May’s Monaco Grand Prix, a race that Kimi Raikkonen started from pole, the German concedes Ferrari are losing out because of their Saturday performances.

“It’s probably true that the last couple of races Mercedes was a bit stronger, but I think the real gamechanger is qualifying,” he said.

“They are able to turn up the engine, they are gaining between three and six tenths to us on the straights.

“In Baku it was seven, in Austria it was half a second.

“That’s something we can’t do. We are working on it, but it doesn’t happen overnight.

“It’s a no-brainer, if you have the cars in front for the first lap, the first corner, the race looks different.”


Until Ferrari and the other teams figure out how they're able to do that, results are not likely to change. One key reason Ferrari got those wins was because Merc was sorting out issues getting all four tires to work. Clearly they got that fixed and since then it's been a bit ugly. I don't want other teams winning because of crashes and stuff like that. I just want to see real racing.

 

Per AMuS - Latifi and Kubica to test for Renault at the Hungaroring. That should be

interesting. Wonder who will have better lap times?

 

I understood what you said. The thing is though the part were Ferrari rushes to try to get titles is were I think he has point of. Just firing people cause they couldn't isn't a good sign to build a team. Firing Aldo Costa was definitely a huge mistake with Ferrari suffering in performance and tada Aldo builds title winning cars in just the 2nd year of Mercedes, 3 in a row of his design of cars winning titles for them and sheer dominated the whole of those years they were absolutely untouchable if this keeps up 4 years this year. So while you do have a good point he has also has some points that is very much tells how Ferrari does thing of recent years. They need to build up and keep it together rather than just firing and replacing people cause of no titles rather than progress that is helpful to the team and making better cars that can win titles next year and years more.

They need to be patient which right now they if they were wouldn't been in this position if they had the car at 100%. It's 85% right now in my opinion the straight line speed is too lacking and needs to be outright faster. While I do feel that their progress is great and leaps and bounds this year the work and pressure on them is going to be like mountain on them as the season goes on.

 

Lol do you actually watch the races? Thanks for the laugh. You will see how wrong you are in the end. Hamilton wins this title by 30+ points. I'll guarantee it right now.

You would have to be blind to not see that the FIA have removed all the toys that kept Ferrari in the mix (oil burning/flexi floor). They haven't won since May and haven't been the best car since Monaco. You can forget about both titles unless something drastic changes. The WCC is already gone.

Seb's last 4 finishes have been 4, 4, 2, 7 and he hasn't gotten a pole in 6 races. That won't be getting it done, sorry. Hungary may be good for Ferrari because of track characteristics but then it's all Merc. Just watch.

 

Cool. ricksb is on the team? In what capacity?

 

Mighty Mercedes !! B

 

I think you're on the wrong forum

 

I forgot about him at Williams. But why did he leave?

Well, now that they have seen him drive one more year, I would be surprised if Hulkenberg was still on Mercedes wish list.

Thanks God they were able to get Bottas, and he is a winner.

I don't think that Toto Wolff feels short-changed !!!

 

Probably that´s not a good example. Aldo Costa´s Ferraris often sucked and at Mercedes he´s not the boss. Maybe he´s good at what he´s doing at Mercedes but not as a technical director; also let´s not forget that Mercedes strongest point, the engine, is not related to Costa at all. I don´t think Formula 1 is a matter of having a few key figures, it´s too complex for that.

I agree in that Ferrari has made a good step forward from last season despite some unfortunate situations (i. e: Allison´s wife and according Italian press Sassi´s departure is related to personal reasons too). For me it´s not really important if they win this season or not, I wasn´t expecting that anyway, I just hope they can keep growing.

 

I think for a lot of fans, it's not that Ferrari has to win, but it's that everyone is tired of seeing Merc win unchallenged. And "unchallenged" is the key. And its how they became unchallenged which I think is the real hot poker in the eye to a lot of fans and creates the animosity towards them and of course Lewis. The first couple years of the new formula, they greatly benefited from a head start and of course helping write the new regs. Then, with the homogulation (sic?) and then the ridiculous token system, it seemed to me that the FIA was artificially ensuring that Merc would hold on to their initial head start by all but eliminating development. When you prevent other teams from developing their technology and addressing their shortfalls... while one team is clearly ahead, how can anyone possibly catch up? I'm not a conspiracy guy, but this seemed very anti-competition to me and made for some of the worst years in F1. I've heard people make the argument that the FIA and Merc had an arrangement...maybe still do. That's going far, but at the same time, if I found out for certain it was true... I don't know that I'd be shocked.

When week after week after week, you just see Merc somehow be able to turn up their power, especially in qually... and at the final lap of the session and eek out a half second lead over everyone else, it just strikes a negative cord because at some point you're wondering what the f*ck is going on?

I don't bash Merc or Lewis. They're the very best team doing everything right and they have one of the most capable drivers making the most of all they have to offer. That's the synergy that's difficult to overcome. I simply cannot legitimately fault that. But I do like competition... real competition. I get that attrition is an integral part of F1, but I take less joy from winning from someone else's troubles. I'd rather see Seb beat Lewis rather than Seb win because some mechanic forgot to tighten a hose clamp.

So i just think the frustration is founded in ABM or... ANYONE BUT MERCEDES

 

No, but I am rather surprised that no other team has been able to challenge durably their hegemony.

So, I deduct that they are doing a better job than the others, and I go along with that.

Success should reward the best, and for the last 3 years, Mercedes has been the best team.

If you are tired of their success, blame the others!!

 

Well, as you said, Mercedes had a huge head start and only now without the token system there is a real chance of putting a fight. Considering that right now they´ve the highest budget of the grid and that there are no big regulation changes until 2021, dethroning them will take a few seasons.

So relax and enjoy the glympses of light that our guys show from time to time.

 

Bah humbug he is.....

MERCEDES THE MAGNIFICENT!!!

 

He made two wcc winning Ferraris of which one won the wdc the F2007 though without the fia ruling it may havd lost it. The other f2008 didn't win the wdc (by 1 point!) due to sheer bad luck, mistakes by the team more specifically the pit crew. Nothing to do with the F2008 and driver. Both drivers and cars performance were awesome that year and it showed when Ferrari topped the WCC won by a lot. 3 times his designed cars nearly won the wdc. The 248 f1, F2008, and the F10 nearly won the Wdc. He definitely did great cars and shows he didn't suck.

Key figures are what helps teams win. The best example is Michael and with his Dream team and ofcourse Adrian Newey both dominate their eras were they won titles in a row. Mercedes is doing the exact thing with lots of star people. You cannot say that when these people are are the best example of how key figures win championships.

Mercedes have the best engine since hybird regs and this year they edge out Ferrari cause of that of which I fully agree.

 

The major success is due to them being prepared over the rules They quickly developed their cars so quickly that they can overwhelmed the competition their engine is by far the best piece of the car. It was faster than anyone in the beginning and still is this year. The engines must be incredibly difficult to develope look at Honda for example they're a giant like the Mercedes yet they're struggle to make progress of how the engInes are to develope for Honda is a good example of how the regs are for newcomers. It's not just Honda that struggled though only until last year we gotten the other two engine suppliers to challenge the Merc powered customer teams. Even then Mercs factory team cruise to victory. The engines are super expensive is not the deal breaker to the teams even though it's on of the many reasons why Mercedes domination is cause of that. No it's the development of engines must be so complex to extract power let alone improving upon the engine for others that it toke this long for another team Ferrari to challenge Mercedes this year. Even then the other two are struggling still and Ferrari are struggling to match Mercedes pace. Honda struggling so badly is a black flag to the engines being too complex. Hence the new 2020 engines are simplier v6 turbo and maybe twin turbo, kers, but dumping the mgh which is the most expensive and may have been the problems, other than Mercedes ofc, for the engine supplies to try to make. I blame the FIA for trying to push complex hybird tech that caused this mess.

 

So, william is correct.

What mess? It's a fantastic display of Mercedes engineering showing superiority. 15 years ago, give and take, Ferrari did it for 6 years. Was that a mess?

 

No, that was justice, and well deserved, WE ARE TIFOSI. WTF do people need to praise the competition for ? Screw them, I hope Mercedes hit the wall every race, I don't praise them