https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/cosworth-lining-up-for-f1-return-in-2021-932464/ For sure with red bull? Newey insisted his new Asotn hyper car had to have a cosworth v12
Having these talks with Cosworth and Ilmor is all good news. I just can't stand that we gotta have 4 more years of this current nonsense. I'm so tired of these PU's already. They are completely uninspiring. I wish they would at least change the fuel parameters and allow these engines to spool up to 15 or 16K RPM.
Hope they are more competitive than they are with the V8's.. I'd like to see AER in F1. They had really solid LMP engines.
I believe the new engine formula will be twin turbo V6, with significant fuel limitations of course. I only hope they remove the electrical systems in their entirety, as their complexity on their own scares off just about any respectable manufacturer.
+1 A basic KERS is fine with me, though I'd rather go completely without. want them at 1200hp, simple engines cost should be massively less per unit, preferably around 150K a unit. Make them last 2 races minimum, simple as that. Simplify the sport. Reduce cost. More engine options for small teams, more engineering firms such as Cosworth interested in joining since they could actually make a buck. Get rid of the no refueling, too. A honda, Cosworth...whatever, could quite simply be more thirsty but provide the necessary power, just needs to take on more fuel during a stop who cares.
I think they should completely separate the two elements and make them all modular and compatible with each other's. So we could have Honda engines with Ferrari's Magneti Marelli E-System, Renault engines with Red Bull's electrics, Cosworth engines with Tesla's and any other possible combinations. Easy to swap around if one doesn't work as well and without the need to develop the entire PU under one roof
Your welcome; in addition, please be reminded that THAT Honda V6 Turbo engine was winning races and titles, mind you...after three years in Formula One, every team wanted one..."how the mighty have fallen" Rgds
You never heard anything like it before, the F1 V10 screaming down the long Indy straight! On full throttle the longest time of any track at that time frame.
Why did those sound so much better than the cars today? is it all the efficiency expending all the fuel?
Cosworth back in F1 for the next formula? I believe it when I see it. Cosworth didn't enter F1 alone back in 65/66, it had FORD backing then, and received its support for at least 10 years. . Now, I don't think an independent firm can't compete with the major manufacturers in F1 anymore. It would be trading at loss, IMO. I also remember that Cosworth wasn't too successful during the last F1 turbo era.
+1 Cosworth would need a constructor to bankroll them, finance their expansion, pay for the recruitment of plenty of engineers, modernise their installations, build new facilities, etc... The time where engine where designed on a napkin, and chassis drawn with a chalk on the floor is long gone. Unless the engine for the next formula is dead simple, I don't think an independent engine builder can make any money in it.
This will only work if all the teams contribute to a general engine fund for the lesser teams OR a major comes in to support it (like Ford did in the 60s). Otherwise it's never going to happen. Anyone remember the Hart engine? It's been tried before.
I mentioned before that in the redistribution of TV rights to the teams (a controversial subject in itself), a designated engine supplier -chosen by tender- should receive a share of the profit from Liberty each year. With the R&D cost, there is no way an independent engine builder can make money selling so few engines every year.
IMO Simplest way to reduce costs and reduce the performance gap between teams Is to standardize as many components as possible ie brakes the whole electrical power unit - turbo unit - engine block and restrict the aero as well
Trying to reduce cost is a pointless exercise, IMO. F1 is the pinnacle of motor racing, therefore there should be no limit as to what teams want to spend. Teams that can't afford F1 should look for another cheaper series maybe. I mean there is no point having champagne taste and lemonade money, is there? That's one thing, but the other is that teams should be able to obtain the essential components to race, by manufacturing them or buying them. Building their own engine is beyond the reach of 70% of the teams, therefore the FIA should contract and support an engine builder to provide engines on demand to teams that don't make their own.
+1 Cosworth or Judd can make extra $$$ by selling slightly milder versions for street cars. Judd already does it for the M600 which is quite a weapon
The only way it will work is if Liberty gives them a break and guarantee them a % of revenue to help assure financial stability. I don't see Liberty or anyone helping out by giving them a basic design plan to get a jump start. I don't see either of those happening as the other teams would vote it down or at least complain enough and threaten to do something in return.
That's the general idea. Liberty sponsoring a motorist to build a standard engine available at a reasonable cost to teams that don't build their own.
I see that happening as Redbull will probably change engine manufacturers in 2020 into 2021 from Renault to Aston Martin/Cosworth. Cosworth has close ties with Adrian Newey and Aston Martin as they designed the engine for Aston Martin's new Valkire Hypercar. Aston will be Cosworth's financial backing into the new formula.
