Why a Stick Shift Defines the Driver

Surely somebody has thought of this-they could put the Alfa giulia quadrifoglio engine in this new Dino. Apparently the engine is a Cali block with 2 cylinders cut off, it's 505hp and best of all it's already been produced. They could also put Dino only badging on the car and that should at least help with the cannibalizing sales issue. Also, make a non-turbo stripped down light weight option for the purist and call it the 296 (206, 246, 308, it's a step back in numbers but it's been 40 years and the alfa engine is 2.9L 6 cyl...that way you could make the next series a 3.3L V8: 338).

Also, just in case anybody at Fiat reads this, you could dump that same engine into a completely new 4 wheel drive 2 seater and call it the new Lancia Stratos since we are opening up the Dino book again

In all this excitement I think I just killed the car. I guess it will cannibalize sales-heck, I'd buy either this new Dino or the Stratos or both before a 488. Fcar even killed a stratos project based on a 430 years ago. I hope they didn't use a gated 430 as a test car!

All I had to hear was wiring harness. Singers are absurd-very very good absurd. This probably has more of a shot of happening than Fcar actually making anything new that says Dino. The 3x8 cars seem like a great place to singer-ize an Fcar for the enthusiast who has no budget allergies. Only issue-and it's a big issue is they didn't make that many compared to the particular era of 911 donor cars Singer uses so that's going to add even more $$s compared to the singer's 911 already incredibly expensive but worth it offering.

All that said imagine the wish list with an early 308 GTB or GT4 and imagine what that thing would be like when it was done

 

Doesn't surprise me one bit, I'm sure some accountant figured out what X & Y cost would be to the bottom line for each MT / Shieldless variant ordered.

Can you imagine the ROI loss on the Cali on the 2-5 manual transmissions they did invest that option for?

 

Agreed. If it was a sub-$150k manual and looked like the 458MM one-off or J50, I'd go and put a deposit down today.
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That 458MM is Bad Ass in every way

 

This is an important point that seems to be often overlooked.

If they make it near impossible to order something, chances are, they won't sell a lot.

Agreed that 458MM is a stunner

 

Someone may have already posted the thread(s) with actual owner experiences here, but there are F430 threads back in the day when they were being built that specifically talked about how hard it was to order a manual gearbox. Apparently if you ordered a car, there was a list of those that wanted F1 and another list of those that wanted manual. Once you got in the list, you had to wait for Ferrari to create an allocation with that gearbox. So the 6MT list, while smaller, went un-allocated sometimes with people waiting years to get the option to spec a manual car. The lucky ones that got on very early got a 6MT allocation. I guess you can't always specify what you want from the factory even if it is an option like transmission...

 

Yup - And THAT is how you create "strong preference/demand" for the option..... or the perception of it.

 

Yup, who wouldn't. Of course if this 458MM was gated you could put the Dino badge on it and charge even more than the 488! That is a lot of car

 

Great info - and it jives with everything I've heard myself. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if MT were offered, but like many things - it's a question of how much $$$ they would make (or in the case of the Cali) lose. If they can't make the numbers work, they won't make it. Especially so now they are public.

 

"We're not going to order that for you" is a strong disincentive for anyone who wanted a manual Cali, so we'll never know how much it was skewed, as the 360 and even more so the 430 were.

 

Just to throw in some references to the claim I made about FNA having two separate lists for 6MT and F1:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/139847438-post17.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/139845920-post8.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143676348-post10.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141768668-post14.html

 

it's not the "stick" that separates a real driver, but the gears he choses and when to use them... not how the proper gear is activated...

 

Yup, doesn't surprise me especially given the post above. If you don't make as much or potentially lose money on MTs - you'll push to disincentivize it.

 

“Close to zero percent Gallardos were ordered in manual”

-CEO Stephan Winkelmann of Lamborghini

In fact, orders for a manual transmission were so few and far between admits Winkelman that every time one came in they had to go back and re-check the order form, confirming with the dealership that a mistake hadn’t been made.

 

I dunno. There's some skill and enjoyment in pulling a perfect heel and toe, not to mention transitioning to trail breaking. [emoji6]


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a DCT does not eliminate any fancy foot work, the brake and throttle still get a big workout

 

Here Mössle discloses that only 15% of 911s are ordered with manual. He said that it is trending down to around zero in the next ten years. (2028 by his math)

I argue that for Ferrari, even with no dealer disincentive tactics we should expect manual take rates in the single digits with the Justin Biebers and Kim Kardashians in the mix...

The cost to develop a manual transmission is enormous. And if next cars will have a manual take rate in the single digits - it does it make financial (potentially logistical) sense to produce it. Now they are public, expect any cost saving measures only to increase.

 

Ask Brittany Spears how she likes the F1 after she spun out hit a wall, bet she wouldn't have bought it if it only came with a manual. Couldn't drive it.
F1s empower average drivers past there ability, rich fat guy now is faster lol. My apologies in advance to all the rich fat Ferrari owners I offended.

 

I had a Cayman with PDK. I never figured out how to trail brake. But other than that, it was mega cool for the track, not so much for the street


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I know trail braking only from motorcycle track stuff. Braking past turn in. In a car this is easier but I don't see how it's connected to transmission issues except if driving a manual and not heel and toe blipping the downshifts to smooth out the braking. On a pdk would you not just downshift as you needed while braking whether turning or not? Did it not blip to rev-match well?

 

When I was considering a 718 Cayman S earlier this year, it was rather disappointing how few MT cars I could find at dealers nationwide. I think for every 15 PDK cars, there's 1 MT out there.

And the 2-3 MT that I could find were of course loaded with $20,000 of worthless (to me) options - heated 18-way powered seats, automatic windshield wipers, etc.

In the end, I bought the sportscar I really wanted - a Ferrari. The AC sucks, but that gated shifter certainly makes me smile.

 

No offense but you bought the worst gear box money can buy... don't hold that against a car with a great dual clutch

 

You've missed the whole point of my post. I find pulling a paddle the most boring thing on earth. I don't care if it can do it milliseconds faster than "the worst gear box money can buy"

Right now, I'm in a quandary. Do I buy an Aventador roadster? ....or a gated LP640 Roadster. I love the Aventador design, hate it's softness. Love the LP640's slight harshness.....always hated the tame look of the Murcielago series.

.....the Testarossa soldiers on lol


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Somehow I don't thing having the *best* gear box would make the experience of clicking a paddle with your fingertips that much more satisfying, vs a MT.

It's like the difference in clicking your mouse to fire a gun in a video game, vs pulling an actual trigger. A Logitech mouse won't make the difference THAT much closer.

 

Me too. Damn that red one.