Mayweather/McGregor

Fair enough Joe. Agree to disagree. All I challenge is that taking both guys in their prime, one walked out of the ring multiple times cut, bruised bloody (Mayweather), and the other never did (tyson pre 1989). Results are results.

 

Good post, I agree with all.

I think when he is out-and-about he promotes himself as the villain because it sells tickets, I have it on good authority from several people that privately he is a humble person. Sadly the public will never see this side. Personally, I think it's unnecessary to promote yourself as a badass, because as we know most people who do this really aren't, so its all an act. My friend Ray Leonard let his hands do the communicating.

Ahhh sorry Dave, maybe for YOU, but not for me, I never get confused or sucked into the general hatred that society likes to espouse in order to be for or against something or someone. Different approaches. I simply look at the skills in the ring, and the end result. Period. That's what it's about for me. Could care less if someone is liked or hated, as Ive said, none of that counts.

Now, if I happen to know a fighter personally as a family friend (like Sugar Ray Leonard), then, that's a different story, the way my friends behave matters to me. That said, no problems there, the man's an impeccable gentleman.

Unfortunate story but your experience is your experience and everyone (FM in this case) is responsible for the way they portray themselves, so I don't blame you for not liking him. That said, I have indeed heard that he has the split persona which is all about promotion when in public and humble in private.

That's all you need to say, the other comments make no difference to me, thank you

 

Don't forget the PED/doping cloud which really starts making the "Floyd is an ******* for this reason or that one" parallel the Lance Armstrong vitriol in the years leading up to his outing.

I also think some of the criticism IS for his behavior in the ring. The clinch, while legal and considered "defense" has really changed boxing (for the worse in many people's eyes) from what it was decades ago - and many see FM as being the leader or face of that. I understand how people defend him since he's "a tactician" and he's doing whats allowed by the rules, but it doesn't change how people look at the tools he used in the ring.

FM also has a perceived history of ducking opponents in their prime. You look at a master like Sugar Ray and see he fought prime opponents more than once so there was never really a question of his dominance. Conversely, FM wouldn't get around to fighting guys until they were on the downside of their careers, he'd fight them at altered weight classes where the fighters he faced weren't as effective, or the money would get in the way and the fight would never happen because the two camps couldn't come to terms - a convenient way to call out a person without ever having to fight them.

 

I can't believe these Tyson vs FM posts have gone this far. I'm shocked that some of you who are really boxing educated would even comment on this challenge.
Originally I honestly thought you guys were joking around. To even consider FM in the same ring as Tyson would be TOTAL mismatch. A Joke, One punch and game over.

 

You do have some valid points.

I don't think anyone is taking the FM vs MT scenario seriously, its a 'hypothetical' discussion, no different from the hypothetical Ali vs Leonard one I've seen elsewhere, purely for fun, engaged in likely because we are just bored waiting around for FM vs CM

 

Guys like tyson are in a league of their own. Just like Ali and the other greats, when he was at his prime (pre 89), he was perfection in the ring. Like watching an orchestra, or symphony play flawlessly. And exciting to watch. He made it look incredibly easy, and the entire sporting world including non boxing fans HAD TO WATCH and did watch. You cannot say that about Mayweather. As impressive as his record is, non boxing fans don't give 2 craps about watching his fights. There's no way anybody can convince me that two fighters at their prime, one coming out of the ring battered is a better defender than the one that comes out clean as a whistle. Totally ludicrous. Tyson had no weaknesses other than his reach, which he overcame when reached his late teens through his incredible defensive skills and head movement. One of the biggest reasons he took people out so quickly was that his defensive counterpunching was so good that it frustrated his opponents who eventually would just give up and just go for the KO because they knew they could not win. He wasted no punches in his prime. He always remained disciplined/patient and very shot was delivered to kill. Every time an opponent missed, they were punished SEVERELY. That was the main thing that took the fighters out. After two rounds of getting hit with sledge hammers and landing almost zero effective punches, they mentally gave up and it was just a matter of time before they'd make that one mistake, and then out they went. Tyson was not the greatest fighter of all time. But at his peak, he was the pinnacle of boxing perfection. That's why everybody had to see it. I don't think any fighter has reached that level of perfection, and the quick KOs and the clean victories with no wounds were result of that. And then he fired his trainer and went to King, and slowly flushed it all down the toilet.

Also mike tyson was a far more accurate puncher Than Floyd in his prime. Feel free to pour through the stats. They don't lie.

 

Sure

 

Meanwhile, back on track:

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/floyd-mayweather-conor-mcgregor-expected-to-eclipse-super-bowl-in-money-wagered/

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/floyd-mayweather-conor-mcgregor-break-internet/

 

I co-promoted some cross discipline fights in Tokyo during the 90's. In each case it was down to the rule parameters as to whether a Pancrase/Shoot Wrestler would win against a World Champion Boxer. This fight is under boxing rules, which tells me that McGregor will become frustrated and throw an instinctive but illegal technique.
My money is on Mayweather.

 

to me mayweather is a good boxer, but he really just avoids being hit, I don't recall him punching all that much... not like Tyson did, Tyson was an animal... guys were afraid before even getting in the ring

 

I'm kinda interested too if McGregor doesn't actually pull a wrestling move, but acts like he's going to just to completely throw Mayweather off. I can only assume Mayweather doesn't train for such unorthodox moves such as McGregor could do, I think it's Connors only chance, just be as awkard as possible and catch Floyd off guard/off position.

 

This is not a match for anything other than money, and it's a silly match anyway. This reminds me of when Muhammad Ali fought that football player. There are no titles, belts, and barely any bragging rights involved with this shameless 'match', if one can call it that.

 

Ali fought Isao Aoki, a professional Japanese wrestler, on the 26th of June 1976 @ the Budokan in Tokyo, in a Bob Arum scam that Ali was lured into thinking it was purely an exhibition match (at a time when Ali routinely was paid huge sums to do exhibition matches all over the world).

THAT was a silly farce because Arum had the two men fighting different styles instead of having them both box or wrestle, so Aoki spent most of the bout flopping around on the canvas kicking at Ali! I remember it vividly as I was embarrassed for Ali.

But you are right FM vs CM is ALL about the money, even back then Ali only accepted to fight Aoki for $6 million, which is something like @ $30 million today if my inflation index is correct.

 

If McGregor has a chance at all he needs to understand from the onset he cannot win on points/card. With that in mind, he needs to violate boxing rules if he's in trouble or if it gives him substantial advantage/opening to really hurt Mayweather, and finally he needs to KO or TKO FM to end it. If he's strategic he probably has the strength to do some real damage with a punch.

 

Punchers chance = The boxing world's slang for NO CHANCE LOL

 

Tyson quoted as saying McGregor doesn't stand a chance.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/25/16023520/morning-report-mike-tyson-says-conor-mcgregor-is-going-to-get-killed-against-floyd-mayweather

 

Mayweather may want to toy with him and drag it out, the longer it goes perhaps greater the chance there could be another big payday in a rematch.

But...every minute in the ring is another chance for McGregor to land some lucky punches, maybe stun Mayweather and then land a few more punches.

Odds seem very slim, but until they get in and go at it, cannot say for sure.

 

Mike Tyson weighed in yesterday....he says McGregor has no chance and is going to get killed.

 

This fight & FM represent BOXING! I hope there is no F***ing around by FM. The whole sport is riding on his shoulders. Get in and get out quick. No place for MMA fighters in the Boxing ring and vice versa. No place for boxers in the cage.

 

Totally agree.

 

I discussed this upcoming fight with boxing legend Sugar Ray Leonard on Thursday night and he presented me with 3 possible scenarios he sees unfolding.

Guess what they are.

 

One or the other, or both, die in the ring. There, that's 3 possibilities! ;-)

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Mayweather wins by knock-out early ... because Floyd has something better to do, later that night.
Mayweather wins by knock-out late ... because Floyd gets bored, after a while.
Mayweather wins by decision ... to pump the purse for a rematch.

 

Mayweather catches McGregor in the first round with a left that puts McGregor's lights out. After all, he's not really used to getting hit by a boxer.

Mayweather has his hands full but wins in the 5th on a TKO because McGregor isn't used to going that long and just runs out of steam, tossing in the towel at the end of the round.

Mayweather ends up knocked on his ass but still wins because McGregor knocks him out with a knee to the chin, or maybe groin, which disqualifies him.

D

 

Mayweather controls the fight and finishes it in the mid to late rounds. (6-8th round)
McGregor Catches Mayweather with a lucky punch. (Rematch $$$$$)
Mayweather makes an easy fight look harder so they can have a rematch $$$$$$$