Max Verstappen

Max Verstappen . . . he is Danny Kvyat with about 10% more talent and a much better car.

That's all.

 

I think this weekend was an 'eye opener' for Max and his image and driving style/decision matrix. He will have to slightly adjust. No matter what the team say in public about the penalty being harsh, inside the team he will notice the response and pressure.

If he is smart he will make the 1% adjustment required or suffer later in terms of reputation if he continues to be more aggressive than needed on lap 1. Ricci is in good standing with the team and has been bringing in the points when the opportunity has been given this year.

 

Well, I have to say that i'm very interested in the "If he is smart" matter (at the beginning of the second paragraph). This season could well be his defining year; if he has some brains, which, to my eye, still remains to be proved, then yes he will analyse, adjust and be stronger in the future. If not, well...he could well become another great "has been".

Rgds

 

I think there is still a bit too much Grand Theft Auto style driving going on,and not quite enough polished F1.

He has great potential of course,but he wouldn't be the first to somehow screw it all up,ending up as just Jos the Boss (Jnr).

 

Max is a keen driver. He will make an adjustment and proceed on with his driving in F1. That small polish plus his race-craft will be formidable. I have no doubts he will alter slightly what is needed.

 

Look, this is exactly his problem: he was driving into a closing gap and it did not work out. It would have only worked out if both Vettel and Raikkonen would have driven to the left to let him past...But why would they do so? Just because he wants to?
Another example is him driving over the front wing of Seb a few races ago...One can argue for ages whether it was his fault or not, fact remains that he could have ruined his tyre in this incident and as far as I remember points are given for actually arriving at the finish rather than "having the right to be there"...

Max once said he will not change his driving and the others have to get used to that, he will not adjust...But to think the others will adjust to him is naive at best...Neither Seb, Kimi or Ricci will move over just because he is making a move and you can be certain once he has a car capable of taking the fight on Lewis he will not move over either.
To adjust you first have to analyze and realize that you might not be right but I do not see it with Max and until then you will see him about every third race at an interview while the race is still on saying "I had the right to be there" and complaining that he got a penalty and xyz got none...
Right now it does not make a big difference because it actually does not matter whether he comes home third or fifth but the day he is running for a WDC I am certain he will ruin it at least once with one of his moves...

 

Nice summation .

Max is exciting to watch but he needs to learn from Dan, don't mix it up until you are sure there is a positive outcome ... brains over brawn.

Being a threatening driver like Senna, or Kamikaze like Kyvat and a few of the other younger brigade won't do anything for his reputation.

He needs to pull off some of those around-the-outside passes we've come to know him for.

His LUCKY escape at the last Brazil speedboat race was just that, LUCKY, not great driving .
Kimi and many other very accomplished drivers slid off the track after aquaplaning and he's NOT in Kimi's league .... yet !

I wish Dan would be released from RBR so he can get away from the poisoned well that is RBR , I don't trust them, they crucified Webber (he was never WDC material but he was a damn good driver screwed by RBR because he wasn't one of their junior drivers) and if they "want" Max to be the next young WDC they will push Dan out of the picture ..... Horner is a worm.

And if you think Dan is all sweet after a couple of beers you don't know Aussies ..... Alan Jones would have pushed him clean off the track if Max did that to him, then punched his head in when they got back to the pits .... and probably slotted good ol' Jos for luck as well

Dan will be very wary of Max from now on and Dan uses his brains a lot more so Max had better watch out for where Dan is positioning his car from now on .... bash and barge is easy to do, but clever driving is beyond Max just yet, he thinks intimidating the other drivers is the way to go

 

Well, I don't agree with you on this point. Even today it matters where he finishes the race. The WDC standings would have looked much better for Seb/Ferrari if the Red Bulls had (both!) finished in the positions they came out of the first corner.

 

Are you mad?! A very serious accident? At 40 miles per hour?!

At least we agree on something

 

Remember Grosjean pulling the same move at La Source a few years back and flying above the cars?
He almost took Alonso's head off!!
Max came inside like a torpedo as if there was no need to brake and forced Kimi wide.
Of course Kimi moved, not wanting to get involved in a wreck at the first corner.
Same in Hungary; complete disregard for other drivers.
Not clever at all, and not the hallmark of a champion.
It seems that many agree with me here.
Speed and audacity are not everything; racecraft is.

 

During his karting times Max was known to be extremely talented but bit too aggressive.In 2012 I once chatted with one of the most experienced team owners and he said that "if this kid controls his aggressiveness, he will be a world champion...". In 2013 Max became world champion and won two euro championships, annihilating the other drivers in a way that was never seen before. I didn't follow the 2013 season so I don't know if he was a bit more calm that time. When he switched to F3 he was still an aggressive driver.

 

Kvyat is the classic Torpedo,i see Max as more of an Exocet missile.

 

Please, let talk about facts, the kid is just 19! He has the talent to be as good as LH, Senna, MSC, etc, BUT being young he is still too aggressive sometimes. This can be remedied with experience.

 

I think that's what we all think ..... he just needs time

 

Sorry, but we have to disagree here: he has already 51 starts in Formula One under his belts, and that should be enough experience already. Unless we agree on considering that experience only begins with something like 100 Grand Prix starts?
I'm sorry, but as much as I am impressed by his speed, I am NOT impressed by his recklessness and lack of perception.
I agree with William here: it takes more than speed to make a great driver, it takes racecraft. Which I think he lacks, which is all the more confusing since the guy is professionally racing since leaving his pram or about. But that's just me...

Rgds

 

You really need to look at the two crashes, Grosjean's one started at high speed, Verstappen's one only could've happened at low speed. BIG difference!

 

I urge you to watch the 2016 Brazilian GP then, as that'll tell you he's so much more than what you think he is. He schooled the field that day. Absolutely schooled it.

 

If his spin would have ended in the wall we would talk differently about that day. This is Max, driving on the edge, at times it pays off, at times it doesn't. Schooling the field doesn't apply as he almost threw it away. He got away very lucky often. Hungary was bound to happen some day, unfortunate for him it was his team mate.
If you want to win championships you can't throw away points like Max risks doing all the time.
As pointed out above, he is mad but he is young. With time he can keep being fast but reduce the bs. Same way as Hamilton, he used to be garbage when it came to using his head. Nowadays he is much more controlled and doesn't throw away races any more all along.

 

The era of gentleman racing is over, you're living in the past...and the true "best of the best" (Senna and Schumacher) were ruthless on track. Last year, when Nico finally got tough with LH, he won the WDC instead of getting pushed around. Look at Seb and "Multi-21", case in point why he's a 4x WDC and Mark Webber is Mark Webber.

 

While Dan is good, Max is simply better. This will be proven in time. He's already the faster driver.

Agreed they are not comparable at all.

 

But he is not driving for Ferrari and for him only the result of the RB matters and he will not fight for the WDC or WCC anyway this season. It certainly affects others but I doubt he cares about that

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A blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

Gilbert Arenas and Devin Booker. Two average NBA players who had one game where they hit the lottery and scored over 60 points in an NBA game.

And, of course, this . . .

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Obviously, Max is talented beyond the post I made above ^^^. However, I have a problem admitting this when he is so damn headstrong.

 

That spin you're talking about was quite obviously aquaplaning, the same happened to Kimi and several others. No one with any intelligence would've blamed aquaplaning as driver fault.

2015 USA GP, he delivered a stand out performance in the soaking wet in a lowly Toro Rosso, ended up 4th. He had so much more pace in the car, had it not dried up he'd have ended on the podium easily. He was actually lapping faster than Hamilton in the wet.

2016 Canadian GP, defending from Rosberg giving him a masterclass in how to defend...Rosberg had much more power and speed in the car, and couldn't overtake him. Rosberg had a 1.2 second a lap advantage in that car. When he did pass Verstappen he only did it by outbraking and spun the car quite spectacularly, spinning sideways and 4 massive flat spots. If it wasn't the last lap he'd have to pit again...

Obviously the Brazilian GP where he made the rest look like amateurs.

To call him a one hit wonder is shortsighted at the least.

 

He is good...****** but very good...