Countach, the ultimate supercar

Clearly you suffer from some sort of split personality, one moment apologetic and recalcitrant, the next making your usual unintelligible irrelevant posts again, and, you have trouble keeping on topic.

The QVX was a privateer race car project owned by David Joliffe, a Spice Group C chassis using a Countach engine, just because Marmiroli acted as engineer does not make it a production Countach.

The discussion is of production Countach QVs, Fuelie & Downdraft.

The QVX is neither.

You get it.

 

For the simple reason that it used a standard production Downdraft engine, the same specification as that which propelled the production cars - blueprinted with sport cams.

BTW, its Evoluzione.

You still have not answered the questions:

Why would Nuova Automobili Lamborghini SpA itself choose to FIA Homologate the Downdraft and not the Fuelie?

Have you personally spoken to Messrs Masini, Pagani, Marmiroli, Balboni et al on a first-hand basis and received relevant data & materials from them? In fact have you done ANY personal first-hand research from the original creative source of these cars to establish anything you post about?

 

Incorrect guess.

I have actually already posted the reason that Lamborghini used the Downdraft and not the Fuelie, but clearly, you post before you read.

FWIW, my posts are always on-point, relevant, accurate & useful, unlike yours, so no need to anticipate anything other than what you can consistently expect from me.

That said, again, you still have not answered the question:

Have you personally spoken to Messrs Masini, Pagani, Marmiroli, Balboni et al on a first-hand basis and received relevant data & materials from them? In fact have you done ANY personal first-hand research from the original creative source of these cars to establish anything you post about?

Again, you show disrespect for Messrs Marmiroli, Balboni et al, I don't claim them as my "best buddies" at all, I simply know them as a result of my quest to learn.

FYI, my process of learning about these cars and sharing the received wisdom both here on Ferrarichat and in actual published works Internationally is very simple:

I go directly to the original creative source.

By this, I mean, I actually put my money where my mouth is, get out of my armchair, and visit with the men who designed, built, engineered, and tested these cars. Where the Countach Downdraft is concerned that includes the man who owned the factory. IMHO, there is no better way to establish fact than to begin at the original source.

At least my information as shared in my posts on FChat not based purely off what I have read in magazines and on the internet, like the hearsay & third-hand information some people post here! My information shared is the result on personal first-hand interaction where material and data has been (often exclusively) granted to me by the very men responsible for the machines being discussed, and given my procedure, I’m confident Ive personally been the source of a significant amount of meaningful & accurate information on these cars over many years - which is more than some can say.

The notion that intelligent research performed directly with the very creators of the subject we are studying is nothing more than name-dropping is as hilarious as the notion that the Countach Downdraft and the Fuelie are essentially the same car!

Let’s get real and keep it real - my thoughts as posted here are the received wisdom as given to me by the original artisans, and as corroborated independently by literally a dozen different publication entities whose job it is to test and analyze these type of cars.

As far as I am concerned, to date, I don’t see a shred of credible evidence from the Doubting Thomases (namely Fuelie owners like yourself who really wish they had a Downdraft), that the received wisdom from the factory’s own Chief Engineer, Chief Test Driver, and the CEO have supplied me is anything other than absolutely correct - as borne out by the aforementioned independent entities.

As such, unlike you, I choose to respect to the car’s creators and accept the assertions they have made which I have reported, because, based on my own independent research and that of other credible sources, their assertions are proven correct.

Also, I tend to stick with what I assert until I see credible evidence that I can take back to the original creative source to question.

By the way, insulting me personally by pretending I don’t understand what I’m talking about does nothing to change the fact of the Downdraft’s performance superiority over the Fuelie, or the received wisdom I share from the principals who grant it to me, all it does is underscore that the truth makes some people insecure and it simply motivates me to continue to uncover & share new material that establishes the differences between these cars.

Moving along, next time, I’ll tell you why the Countach and carburetors are meant for each other.

 

I'm confident you didn't read, nor understand my post, but yes, all is good, because others who read and don't necessarily post will.

 

Allan, if only you had a Downdraft, boy would you be singing a different tune.

Your reasons for buying a Fuelie at the time are self-evident, I don't need to be a psychic, the bottom line is, you & I both know that when you purchased your Fuelie, if there was a Downdraft available at the same time for the same price you would absolutely have chosen the Downdraft, no question about that - and this speaks to your current motives & behavior.

As far as the 12 Countachs I have owned, in fact, 6 of them were long before I got into the business, so I owned them purely as an enthusiast, even if I sold the more recent cars after enjoying them for a couple years, this does not change the fact that my experience accross the variant range is complete, and your claim of knowledge across the variants is exaggerated.

Speaking of dyno and performance test comparisons between Fuelie & Downdraft, my only aim is to compare a standard Downdraft with a standard Fuelie, rest assured, it will happen, all in good time, stay tuned, watch the Downdraft thread closely - I know you will. BTW, GLA12997's factory tuned engine is not my claim, rather, it is established in documentation provided to me by a factory representative.

As regards knowledge of the differences between the cars, again I ask, have you personally spoken to Messrs Masini, Pagani, Marmiroli, Balboni et al on a first-hand basis and received relevant data & materials from them? In fact have you done ANY personal first-hand research from the original creative source of these cars to establish anything you post about?

I suppose that the Fuelie as produced by Lamborghini is such a good car and so much 'the same as' the Downdraft that in order for owners to be happy with them they have to be heavily modified. I’ll give you one thing, you're familiar with modifying a Fuelie.

To put the ridiculousness of the claim of parity between the Fuelie & the Downdraft in perspective, imagine if I sold a Fuelie to someone who really wanted a Downdraft and said "Oh, don’t worry, it’s basically the same thing as a Downdraft"!

Ask yourself the basic simple question, why would Nuova Automobili Lamborghini SpA itself choose to FIA Homologate the Downdraft and not the Fuelie? The answer speaks for itself.

 

Thank you, actual meaningful & useful information which happens to be true, not that we want real facts to get in the way of this discussion!

Relax my friend, I always try to do what I say I will, whether its a promise of a full restoration, a magazine article, or a film, I'm not exactly renowned for not following through, no? That said, it appears the hold-up will not be a standard Downdraft or a factory tuned Downdraft, its the standard Fuelie, as the ones we have come across so far are all franken-mods.

Preliminary tests suggest a standard Fuelie will actually come in around 390 to 410 bhp, more on this later but you'll have to watch the Downdraft thread closely http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/lamborghinichat-com-sponsored-cats-exotics/503457-countach-downdraft.html

They are both very reliable & easily repairable.

 

Sorry, I really don't mean to be harsh, but really, do you always guess, or just make stuff up as you go along? Which is it?

In fact you inadvertently stated the best attribute of carbs going forward as these antiquated FI systems start to fail. Carbs are indeed older, but therein lies their simplistic beauty. The bottom line is, carburetors last longer than fuel injection systems (already proven), are less expensive, simpler, more robust and therefore more reliable. All of which is exactly why they still have a huge motorsports application, used on everything from karts to race cars.

Shall I expand on this?

 

Proof that you post without understanding what you have read.

I am detecting from this, your grammar, your spelling, and your rambling follow-on posts that either we have a serious language barrier (which makes it more understandable) or you are just very confused.

Slowly now:

What part of "carburetors last longer than fuel injection systems (already proven), are less expensive, simpler, more robust and therefore more reliable" do you not understand?

Again, you are comparing apples to oranges in comparing an old antiquated Bosch FI system from 30 years ago to those used in 2017!

The fact remains that in 1987, when the factory FIA Homologated the Downdraft, they did so because they thought the carburetors were a superior choice.

Personally, I think those Weber carburetors will stand the test of time far better than the old Bosch FI.

Your knowledge of boats is always noted with irrelevance to the specific topic of Countachs as it really does not transfer.