Mayweather/McGregor

Well we're talking boxing not basketball. Sorry to confuse you like that. How many free throws did Floyd make on Saturday?

 

Not taking sides here, I just wanted to say I love that saying and this song.

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It's an analogy. Hope that helps.

 

So if Usain Bolt never broke a single world record, won all of his races by only a microscopic fraction of a second, only raced against average competition (or washed up competition) and won his last race against Christiano Ronaldo (1 on 1), would you all consider it a legitimate win on his record and refer to him as the best ever?

 

Ok so what percentage of games played did Jordan win? Fm is still at 100% win ratio. Your analogy has nothing to do with boxing and proves nothing. Just because you don't like fm doesn't take anything away from his accomplishments.

 

Can the rematch be Greco-Roman wrestling?

Maybe tag team? They each get to pick a partner from their respective sport.

I'd take two MMA guys any day of the week against two boxers.

Or, make the rematch MMA style? That'd be ugly.

D

 

Being undefeated means nothing if you box people that never boxed professionally in their life. Undefeated doesn't make someone better than someone who had lost. There's a lot more that goes into it than that.

 

I've heard a lot of people say something to the effect of "well, Conor would have killed him in an MMA match." Well, no ****! There is absolutely no doubt in my mind. There is no conceivable way someone who solely boxes could be competitive in MMA.

However, I could see an MMA fighter being a good boxer. Boxing is part of MMA. Every single one of them train in boxing. You almost MUST be able to box on some level to be competitive in MMA.

Boxing is just one of many skills in an MMA fighter's arsenal. Boxers train to be the best of the best in only one skill. There is no way to go from boxing to MMA like an MMA guy can go to boxing. Boxers have never trained in any of the other disciplines utilized in MMA where as MMA guys do train in boxing every day.

Note, I am not saying an MMA can step into the ring and be an elite boxer right out go the gate, just that I can see someone who fights MMA being able to box.


Mark

 

I wouldn't call the person the best ever. That's up for debate.

Mayweather beat his peers and most of them were at the height of their careers with the exception of Manny Pacquiao (Mayweathr aged as well). He beat everyone they put in front of him and there aren't many legitimate challengers left. Is that his fault? He also won by unanimous decision in most cases.

Yes, Mayweather didn't pummell his opponents into oblivion. Most boxers in his weight class don't. The best ever?? It's debatable. It depends on how you view boxing? Is it about who can over power their opponent into submission? If so, Sugar Ray Robinson is probably your man. Or is it about the Sweet Science of boxing, the art of hitting and not getting hit? The mind games, the strategies... it's a sport afterall. I personally feel Mayweather has mastered the Sweet Science of boxing. His defense (not getting hit percentage) and his high hitting percentage proves it.

 

That is 100% correct. Beating up on sluggos who didn't belong in the ring is not the way to build a reputation, it's the way to build a pile of "W's"

As to the argument that defensive boxing is as effective as a guy who can dance and bomb a killer punch as well? Um, no.

Nearing the end of his career, Ali went to a defensive style (y'all remember the "rope a dope" right?) because he didn't pack the punch he had as a young boxer, so he let the other guy exhaust himself banging away at him, then he'd sweep in and finish the deal. Was that Ali the "greatest?" Maybe, after all he adapted his style to fit his waning skills. Was a young Ali the "greatest?" Yup, he was.

Mayweather the greatest ever? No, I don't think so.

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Mayweather boxed 1 non-professional boxer. He was undefeated "before" boxing McGregor.

 

The logic behind the Mcgregor match-up was.... "well, since we can't find anyone in the boxing realm to beat Mayweather, maybe someone in the mma world with a less orthodox combat style might stand a chance. We've tried everything else."

 

And although McGregor is not a professional boxer, he was still able to box better than at least half of the "professional" fighters Mayweather has fought (or anyone else for that matter).

 

Uh no. The logic behind the Mcgregor match-up was Floyd is under siege by the IRS, needs the money before they come for his house, cars, etc. and we need a fight to cash in on in order to pay the bills. Our man is over 40 years old, can't risk him getting ko'd or losing so the contenders won't do. A tough famous MMA guy who has never boxed. Now that's the ticket.

That was the real conversation. Maybe he'll fight Stone cold Steve Austin or the Rock when the IRS comes calling next year!

 

I wonder why people had such an issue with this fight yet no one did when Brock Lesnar jumped into the UFC?

 

That could be Mayweather's real motivation to fight, but that wouldn't be enough to sell $400 million worth in views. People didn't watch to pay Floyd's IRS bill and donate to his Ferrari retirement fund.

 

Sorry Dave, we'll differ on that one, many people seem to think boxing is a matter of strength or brute force, its a science, a sweet one at that

That made me laugh so hard I almost sprayed coffee on my keyboard which would not have been good that said, I'd like to respectfully nominate that post into the FChat Hall of Fame meanwhile, one wonders, what part of apples to oranges comparos some people cannot seem to ever understand?

Dear Pap 348, thank you for bringing some levity into this discussion, but this begs the question, was there ever a song with the line "you can't save some people from themselves?"

Just curious.

 

Well I'm glad your keyboard is ok joe lol

 

Lol, I don't know Joe.

I am sure there is and if there isn't, I will write it and sing it myself.

 

Everyone really should check the IRS talk. FM got audited, just like thousand of people every year. They found he underpaid, just like thousands every year. He's appealing, just like thousands every year. The only difference is the dollar figure.

It's not like he just said F-it and didn't pay taxes. When looking at this on a percentage of income basis, I think this would be similar to the IRS telling me I'm $5k short.



Mark

 

Mayweather donates $200 mil to Houston??

FACT CHECK: Floyd Mayweather Jr. Donates a 'Whopping Sum of Money' to Houston After Hurricane?

He might have to fight again afterall. Who's next? Please... not McGasout

 

Apparently my analogies are not getting through.

Let me make this clear: Being undefeated does not equal greatness and he is NOT undefeated at that. He lost twice in the Olympics and won a bronze medal as his best result.

Getting to pick and choose who, when, and where you box is not impressive as it's not competitive. Here's another *gasp* analogy: it's like the college football teams that play cupcake out of conference opponents to increase the odds of going undefeated and playing for a championship. A true competitive sport would have a playoff system where you don't pick and choose what you want...and the champion is rarely debated in that format.

If he was the greatest, he would've shown up to the Olympics again and dominated. He didn't because he didn't/couldn't win Gold. Never has and never will.

 

He's been behind with the IRS consistently for the past 5-10 years. This is just more of the same. They even had to garnish one of his purses awhile back if I remember correctly.

 

Mayweather has history of tax woes; $7M from 2010 unresolved

It's the latest in a cycle for Mayweather, who paid $15.5 million in taxes for 2001, 2003-2007 and 2009 only after the IRS filed liens against him, according to documents filed to the Clark County Recorder in Las Vegas.

Mayweather's tax attorney, Jeffrey Morse, said in an email to The Associated Press that the 2010 lien is no longer valid, despite the county court records that show it as unresolved. He did not say when it was resolved or provide any further details.

Mayweather agrees to pay $5.6M back taxes to IRS - The San Diego Union-Tribune

The IRS sent the Nevada Athletic Commission a levy notice on Sept. 4 ordering Mayweather's unpaid taxes from 2007 to be deducted from his $10 million fight purse, commission executive director Keith Kizer told The Associated Press.

 

One thing I learned from my business school college professor.... if you owe alot in taxes, that means you're making alot of money.

Now Floyd is a hefty gambler. That's probably it. He'll fight again if he needs the money. If not, i doubt he'll fight again. 50-0 is a nice round number to end his career. Looks good on hats and t-shirts .