In the world of CCM / Carbon / Ceramic / non-iron discs What, if any, are the alternatives to Ferrari/Brembo ccm discs. The ccm discs for the Z06 seem almost reasonable in price, so could they fit with a suitable bell ?
Angus, Im using 612 scagliati 6 pot caliper with gtr brembo rotor 380×34 with custom bell of course. Sent from my SM-G9287C using Tapatalk
Angus, Z06 discs fit the Scuderia or challenge bells. They are a cheap replacement option. Use Challenge or Scuderia calipers, or at a push F430 calipers - they work but have less reinforcement than the 398mm calipers so pedal feel and performance in extremis won't be as good. The calipers need spacing 9mm if not using Scuderia uprights. The 430 challenge caliper studs have a spacer built in, or just make a simple spacer yourself. Loss of 4mm swept area on the Z06 discs is not a problem. There are a few cheap sets of used Ferrari calipers for sale at the moment.
LOL - Stewart, i should have just sent you an email than start a thread. So yes, I'd like to upgrade the brakes on a 360. But the pricing and crap of CCM discs when the F word is attached just seemed bonkers. So if i follow the plot... 1. Get a set of calipers - as per ebay 2. Source a set of Scud / Ch bells 3. Get some Z06 discs and we are good to go ?
I bought the CS / 430 CCM calipers and bells for my 360. However I have steel rotors. Will the Z06 rotor fit my bells or are they solely for the Challenge and Scud bells? I wonder since the Ø differ and I don't like using spacers...
Hey Mark, can I summarize and see if I got this right? I have a F430 with CCM: 1) Use F430 CCM calipers 2) Find or make spacer 4) Get scuderia or CH bells 5) Get Z06 rotors
Yes, basically. One final consideration is bell choice: the Challenge bells require a slightly smaller wheel contact patch/face than Scuderia. I can provide measurements if you need them.
Will the 19" oem challenge wheel fit the scud / ch ccm set up, if the calipers needs to be pushed further out? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Mike, yes that's about it. The Scuderia bells give the most flexibility for wheel choice. Bear in mind that changing brake balance means the ABS model is no longer optimal. It's not a huge discrepancy but be aware of it.
Curious as to the reason why you want to convert to carbon ceramic rotors in the 1st place? To combat fade without additional ducting? Some of the guys that track their 458 Challenge cars, for entertainment, replace the carbon rotors/ pads with the GiroDisc steel conversion kit to save a couple bucks over the season The opposite of what youre going to do.
Perhaps OT but I'm busy replacing my 2005 430 steels with 380/36 rotors, custom hats and AP Racing Radical2 calipers. Wanted to avoid CCMs as I track the car regularly. Pics of the calipers and adapter brackets attached. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Calipers shown are the Radical1 versions as the Radical2 only expected next month..... [emoji19]...waiting... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Is it too late to change the caliper choice? The Radi-Cal is a road biased caliper so has the external dust seals. They overheat and break down on track. The caliper is also heavy as it was designed to work with a max of over 400mm. A caliper from the Pro 5000 range would suit your requirements better and mostly all are lighter and stronger.
For a track car steel are cheaper, but the tradeoff is unsprung weight. The handling difference between even the small stock iron brakes and CCM is significant.
Hey Mark, thanks for sharing your knowledge. Will the Z06 rotors + associated calipers (scud, CH and F430 CCM) still fit within the oem 430 wheels (I assume the CH and standard are the same)?
Thanks Mark. These were recommended by BG Developments who specialise in race kits. It's not too late though so I'll ask them about your points. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It's there but not actually that significant is it? Many GT and endurance series will specify steels as the cost saving is huge over a relatively small performance tradeoff. Unless you have very deep pockets I'd recommend decent steels over CCMs if you're tracking the car regularly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
360Trev , has researched this . ( search his threads ) IIRC Z06 CCM work on the front of the CS marginally bigger or smaller (2mm ) . CS rear are size specific . Which brings up an interesting question . Can you OD a CCM disc in a lathe with a tool post grinder ? As in reduce it's size , with some type of abrasive ? ( Carbon dust might not be so good for you or the machine ? )
Re the AP caliper picture. Sweet jesus are those calipers big, is there any room left for the disc or wheel. That's a 18" or 19" wheel ?
Yup - they are 6 pot as opposed to the standard 4 pot calipers. Wheels are 19". Larger rotors - I'm going for 380mm which are the biggest that the 430 can accommodate afaik - require a 6 pot or you risk tapering the pads. Feel, cooling, bite are all improved. Mark I had a look at the 5000 series on AP's site and they are described as the budget or entry level calipers. Anyway - I'll speak to Dave at BG Development tomorrow and get his take on it. The Radi-Cal 2 only come out next month so I have time to make a change if needed. Cheers.
