Question: when did these "triad of abuse" towards Hamilton started? Answer: when a handfull of people took over this forum to post their fanboy-nonsens bar every reasonable evidence including bashing of every other driver that was above Lewis in the stats!!! When did that start? When Lewis drove for McLaren because "it was obvious" that he is a great driver??? No, it only started when he was driving the superior Mercedes and all of the sudden they went all crazy... This leads to the question that either the dominant Mercedes made Hamilton something he was not before or his blind followers were to blind to see his "greatness" during the McLaren years or why did they do not show up here!!! I think that the Mercedes dominance rubs off on his career elevating her over his actual abilities. Those abilities are good but not as good as the Mercedes makes them look and I think it was easy to see when Bottas was faster this year whenever the Mercedes was not dominating the Ferrari...
+1 Before that, when he still drove for Mclaren, he also got some abuse but no more or less than any other competitive non-Ferrari driver. The same happened to Alonso, the same happened to Vettel, on a smaller scale the same to Kimi (but that's because the forum was much less active), it's happening to Verstappen. **** the only one that's almost completely excused from this is Ricciardo, but then he has one hell of a personality that you just can't hate.
Unfortunately Alonso trusted Flabio who is primarily driven by $$$. It was Flabio that got Alonso out of Ferrari and into McLaren Honda.
Well excuse me if I answer the question you posed. It started when he entered F1, understandably on here at first the jury was out on how good he was, however the more he proved and achieved the level of abuse rose. you could put that down to folk that love to hate a winner, and they especially love to hate a winner when he's not humble and self deprecating....same applied to MS with Ferrari when he drove for them, non Ferrari fans detested him. This handful of a people that took over the F1 forum you say, where are they now?. I cannot believe that you of all people would agree with a lot of the venom filled posts, posted about Hamilton anyway. Besides it beggars belief to me how anyone can get so enraged about any F1 driver, I do not care so much for what they do off track anyway, I just enjoy seeing good racing and I like to watch and admire any driver that can use their inherent skill to the fullest on track. Otherwise it's jealousy, and that ranks distinctly as a weakness, a trademark of small minds.
Ferrari first, ferrari only sunbeam. The rest can go to hell in a hand basket. Plenty of people like you around to stroke Elton's ego, I won't be joining you even if he win 20 championships And William, you can agree all you want to not mention whatever you like, enjoy yourself, I'll discuss the comments on the forum when I please, and I will of course have a tifosi bias. If I were there Sunday, my voice would have been the loudest if those booing
Nobody imagined that the McLaren-Honda partnership would end up being such a flop, so it was THEN sound advice from Briatore to steer Alonso's career in that direction. I blame no party for trying, but what I find unbelievable from a business point of view is that no party pulled the plug early on in the face of constant failure. One year of trial is understandable, but at the end of the second year, the association with Honda should have been terminated. Instead, all parties, McLaren, Honda AND Alonso let the situation deteriorate. All we had in the last 3 years were complains, criticisms, promises, excuses, and no concrete action. From a business point of view, McLaren is at fault; would you let one of your suppliers wreck your business by its incompetence? No. But they did nothing. Honda is also on trial here; shouldn't they have admitted long time ago that they are unable to deliver the goods, rather than making false promises? Yes they should have. Also, Alonso. What's his game? Blame the situation but take the money? He should have walked away from that deal, take a sabbatical and put himself on the market a couple of years ago. Instead, he let Honda and McLaren ruin his career.
I think Alonso just loves to race, and I guess he tries to convince himself that he will have some good racing, maybe even results, at some point, whereas once you are out, you are out and gone, very difficult to come back, plus he'd hate it to leave and then Honda come good
In the face of adversity, Lauda, Prost and Raikkonen left F1 and came back later. In the case of the formers, they even took another championship each ! Alonso just missed his slot by sticking with McLaren-Honda for too long. There have been several driver changes in different teams since, but he missed them, and not the time is running out for him.
William, best pop in to specsavers tomorrow as I think you need new reading glasses. Either that or you're deliberately being argumentative and ignoring what I say.
A load...... I know quite a bit too, but I can't say here, legal repercussions could follow. Let's just say that the Brit press have a rather ridiculous understanding of 2007, and it's only a quarter based in truth. If I was to tell, many would be shocked but the events would make total sense
Actually all you need to do is go to Lewis' wikipedia page - go to 2007 and "team tensions" and read between the lines - just a different version of him getting the hump with Rosberg, calling out Button even though Button wasn't following him in the first place, same old kind of thing which makes him divisive. Best, Sammy
Doesn't matter, since I can't prove it with legal documents you'll never believe a word of it anyhow so won't waste my time on proving **** to you, enjoy your bubble.
Sorry, but I do remember this different...Hamilton was not that much of a theme here in the McLaren years, only when his hardcore fans started in the last two... Many of those "handful of people" were banned because of a strange behavior loosing cool when someone said anything against their hero...Unfortunately a few others decided to take over even admitting they only did to counter others (which is trolling by definition ) You can recognize them by having "Hammertime" or "+44" as the most preferred post lacking any reasonable arguments furthermore I do not care about what he is doing off track either. And I am not getting enraged about Hamilton himself but only about those unreasonable arguments here from his followers as I am a fan of reasonable arguments Putting down other people opinion to "jealousy" because one does run out of arguments "ranks distinctly as a weakness, a trademark of small minds" On who or what should I be jealous???
+1 Also i have yet to see anyone call Lewis 'GOAT' (as opposed to one of them). Got a link to that post ? Maybe i missed it. As a result i do not consider that the support for him is over the top,on a F1 forum.
No need for legal docs. I'd still love to hear your take on what truly went down at McLaren. I have a far more open mind than you might think, etc.
And you think that if required, ferrarichat could not be forced to reveal it? Sorry sunbeam, I happen to know more than you, and I won't be telling tales, I just enjoy watching people like yourself floundering around thinking they know it all, while you know pretty much nothing
No, 2007 was a whole different situation that we are 'not' talking about. Button came later, 2010 he joined mclaren. Mind you, there are quite a few funny stories about that internal relationship that will one day make some of Elton's fans sit up and question what they think, and Jensons fans will be pretty proud of how he has conducted himself. I never used to rate jenson at all, but certain things since he went to Mclaren, to my mind, make him a better man than the teenage terrorist I first bumped into racing around the streets of Frome in a souped up M5 back in his Williams days
Excellent post Peter. The jealousy quip at the end of the quote is an example of the 'poking the bear' typical of these types of posts, having a dig at the person they are talking too calling them small minded, yet just oblique enough that moderators can't call it a personal attack. The idea behind it seems to be to annoy and draw a fired response from the person it's aimed at, indoubtedbly to try to aggravate the situation and maybe get them banned.
Yeah right...like all the posts where people refer to his stats while saying they are much more impressive than Schumachers because he raced the titans Button and Rosberg instead of No.2 drivers or he did not have the luxury of unlimited testing...Or those of Vettel, Senna, Fangio, Clark, Stewart for weird reasons... But you need a post "Hamilton is the only GOAT and not one of the GOAT" to be happy? Go and search yourself if you think you can split hairs.... I would say you go back before the time Hamilton joined Mercedes and count the number of posts having him as a main theme and were "people abuse him" and compare the number with the one after people like "toil" joined the forum and then you tell me what started that mess...But onece again the fanboys present themselves as a victim with this bad, bad forum going after them
In an addition: why do you make the baseless isinuation that I agree with all those venom filled posts about Lewis? Because I do not really like Lewis and his fans does not mean that I agree with everything that is written against him. I claim to have my own opinion that might be oposite to yours... Neither do I accuse you and all his other followers to agree with the bull**** toil, tesla and a few others secluded here before they "left" just because you did not explicit dissagree with them.
