I do not understand what you are referring to, I know it may seem like some bizarre concept for you, but it isn't, I simply asked you a straightforward question.
I've not joined the Massa group lol. Mclaren asked Charlie who said Hamilton "should be" ok but he can only give advice based on his opinion, not make ultimate rulings, everyone knows this. Not the first time it happened and won't be the last either. It's very simple: The team asking this already shows that they think they might be in trouble, they ask Charlie who gives his opinion, from there they can have a guess themselves on giving the place back or keep it. They gambled and the gamble went wrong. Simple as that. Massa gained one point from that Fuji clash. Still way short of what he lost in just 2 not-at-fault incidents.
It's funny Fuji is mentioned, because if Elton hadn't cheated as he usualy does and sent both Ferraris of the track, Massa would have won that race easily, since he was the fastest man on track...as he was most of the times trough the year...and i forgot to mention The luckyest wion i ever saw, Elton crashing at Monaco and making it to the pits, just so that the useless Alonso crashed against someone (as per usual in Monaco) puting Elton in the lead!! What a joke!!
Problem was Bas it weren't just 2 "not-at-fault incidents" but 5!! " 2 broke engines (Australia an Hungary)...2 pit sot **** ups (Canada and Singapur)...the duck tape in the brakes (Germany)....these costed 4 almost certain victories and at the very least a 5th place at Australia....under normal circunstances Elton would have been out of the race 2 gps before the end of the season!!
That does not make sense at all...one is a GOAT for winning in this car, the other is only a "usurper" for doing the same...And this "the best driver always ends in the best car" means obviously Rosberg is one of the best as he sat in the same car! You construct arguments why Lewis´championships are worth so much wheras the one of Rosberg in the very same car is not...
Nobody cares. Except you of course. We know you care. Fact is massa, in a vastly superior Ferrari couldn't beat Ham. Fact is Ham has 3 WDCs and counting, Massa has none. Fact is, the Massa Sucks thread is so monumentally huge compared to this tiny Ham sucks thread. Think about why that might be for a moment. Kimi is in the same boat as Massa. Although to be fair to Massa, I think even as a retired driver he is now better than Kimi.
And here is exactly my problem with all this Hamilton hype: Vettel drove into sunset after having pole and people complained that it is not an achievement and boring...Now Lewis does the same (like in Monza) and all of the sudden Lewis drove "a masterful race" ??? Seriously??? It is not the fact Lewis is winning these titles as it is obvious that it is about the car just as it was with Vettel, it is the double standard and the unreasonable enhancement by his fans that bothers me! You do not need to be a GOAT to win in the current Mercedes for the last 4 years... More telling is that as soon as the Mercedes is not head and sholders above the other cars it is actually Hamilton struggling more than his team mate giving the question whether Lewis only can win in the best car...As he never sat in a bad one this question remains unreplied so far! This...so only because Lewis (or Vettel) sits in the best car makes them a GOAT for winning WDC in them wheras all the others are not because they happen not to be one of the two in the Mercedes although they might dirve just as good? Schumacher might have been the last who really had a lot of input in the car because of his countless testing sessions...
Fact is, i had the trouble to explain my v iews, and put FACTS on my post...you did not. Fact is i made a statement showing evidence that suports my views...you did not. Botom line, i wrote a valide post ...you just wrote a piece of crap...but it's fine, this thread is all about sucking...
...ups...most outrageous thing i ever saw in a g.p!!!! i knew a driver could push his car...but use a crane!!!
Another funny one...at least he was going slowly...i know it can be difficult i've done it myself...in an opel corsa!!!
Hard to say realy, If i recall correctly ( i could be wrong) Elton won 2 races in the wet...so did Felipe (and would have one a third if not for a bad set o tires ). Elton is a pretty decent driver in the wet, no doubt, but quite frankly i have seen better from Massa as i just showed above.
Again, keep going. Look who Massa is up against and look who Kimi is up against. One is a teenager who struggles to keep his car going in a straight line The other is a 4x WDC, #4 on the all time win list, #3 on the all time champions list, most wins in a season joint holder, most consecutive wins...I think you get the gist of where I'm going. Kimi has bested Vettel more than once and consistently very close to him.
