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250 GTO 4399 Crashed at Goodwood Revival.

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  1. bigodino

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    By the way I don't have any problems with replicas participating in races like Goodwood Revival, they should just be upfront about it. There's one downside: owners with real cars will probably think twice about entering their precious car in such an event. Too bad the Trofeo Nastro Rosso hasn't really taken over from the Shell Historic as I hoped it would. Real gentleman "racing" with real cars.

    Just my 2 Eurocents.
     
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  4. Daytonafan

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    +1 I'm pretty sure none of the top 10 runners in the revival TT are original cars. If I was lucky enough to own a 250GTO I wouldn't want to enter it in a race were the day jobs of a good number of the drivers is the British Touring Car Championship!
     
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    Awesome information in this thread. Thanks for all the great pictures!
     
  6. malcolmjl

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    Its become a victim of its own success.
     
  7. Tobi

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    I think the wiper issue mentioned by P.Singhof is interesting, because the wipers should not toggle from show to show and race to race. But it still contradicts to bigodino's differences above. However, even the real car could undergo such changes like the rivets or different wiper arrangement.
    In case there is a replica, I don't understand why Bamford (or other owners) doesn't disclose this. It's not a shame. It's understandable if he doesn't want to race the original. On the other hand, this replica is not a plastic body on a beetle chassis. It's a converted 250 or a completely rebuilt 1:1 copy. It would still cost a few millions then. And the effort for fixing a crashed replica is the same than fixing a crashed original. This would make a replica nonsense again since the original has also been rebuilt several times already.
    I see, the more I think about it, the more opinions I have for myself :)
     
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    I don't think so. The real one always has the wipers parked to the right hand side, the replica always to the left.
     
  9. Tobi

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    OK, but then your post #101 shows not the real one.
     
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    Does that mean the wipers can only be parked one way?

    Perry
     
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    The wipers are either flat on the windshield bottom to the right or the left in idle position. In return position, they are more vertical aligned to the windshield side. So, this is a clear differentiation.
     
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    I know it might look that way in the picture but they really do park to the right hand side.
     
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    Replica's / Continuations / Tribute cars are NOT allowed at GR
    https://www.markevans.co.uk/television/inside-jaguar-making-a-million-pound-car/

    "I caught up with Lord March, master of this particular motoring Mecca, to ask him if he would allow any of the six new Lightweights to race at the iconic Revival or the even more exclusive Members’ Meeting. His answer was immediate. It was clear he didn’t need to think about it. ‘No’, left little room for doubt. He sees these new cars as replicas and replicas simply don’t make the grid at Goodwood"

    Someone must open Mr March' s eyes and disprove :)
    But in the end: money rulezz
     
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    So it is all incorrect what is written in this thread and is Chris Harris.
    Jaguar E_-Type comp. continuation cars are not allowed so all cars racing at Goodwood are the real McCoy then.

    All 250lm, gto, swb are REAL.
    We have to believe the respected Lord March.
     
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    Am I the only one that thinks that "not a completely original LM" makes it sound like it's *mostly* an original LM? Because it really isn't...

    I have no problem with replicas running at Goodwood, providing they start marking them in the programme very clearly as replicas.

    A family of four with two teenagers pays ~£500 for a weekend ticket. They should know without equivocation what they are actually looking at.

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    +1.

    The first sentence "The car is not a completely original LM" makes it sounds like it's mostly an original LM as you said but the second sentence "It has some original bits, but it is an exact recreation" makes it sound like it's mostly a recreation.
     
  20. malcolmjl

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    I think there may be a bit of a "ship of theseus" situation going on where original parts are fitted to replica cars in order for them to race. Its entirely possible that it was a replica of 4399 that crashed with a few of the original bits stuck on for the race. That way the owners and GR are both satisfied and they can tell the half truth that its "original."
     
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    Isn't there an entry list with chassis numbers of the cars declared for each of the races? How are the cars scrutinized?
     
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    It doesn't include chassis numbers. And the Revival isn't an official FIA event, so it's not covered by FIA rules (i.e. you can be in breach of your HTP and there's no requirement for any action to be taken against you).

    This, from Motor Sport, after the 2007 event:
    http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/november-2007/11/play-game

    -Ed
     
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  23. Daytonafan

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    My suspicion is the continuation Jags were not allowed in as there are already more than enough E Types competing as it is. It's probably easier to get an entry with the rep GTO and LM as otherwise there would have been be almost no Ferraris competing in the TT this year. If there were four or five real GTO's, 330LMB's, LM's competing you probably wouldn't see the reps on the entry list.

    At the end of the day Goodwood is primarily about entertainment and of the 50,000 or so people watching on the Sunday I suspect 90% don't care if the cars are real or not. Of then 10% that do care very few would say I'm not going to go because the cars are replicas.
     
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    Well stated.
    I at times wonder (but not that hard) how many owners of this caliber cars loose sleep over worrying what some interweb experts consider appropriate for them to do with their cars.
     
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    Actual nose detail of 4399GT at Le Mans 1964. You can see that there's work to be done on the car to look like it was then...
     

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