Absolutly correct and this is VW marketing at is best. They try as hard with Porsche Gt cars as with Lambo cars. Those ring numbers depend so much of the driver and compound. One of the factory driver told me the old 997 GT2 Rs would be 10 secs quiker with the new compound used on the record of the 991 GT2 Rs. Hell we dont even now today if the tyres used for their record laps are identical with the one we can buy (even when they have the same name on it)..
Just wait for the GT2RS lap time that will be set by a car mag then - I bet it will be better than the time of the 720S set by the same mag. Youtube videos from questionable sources demonstrating the 720S superior drag race capabilities (or McLaren fans invading Ferrari chat with propaganda ): is that McLaren trying hard with social media ?
Yes mag lap time with he Rs will be around 7:05. I dont see there a problem if the hardcore porsche Gt2 car outperformamce a base version of Mclaren on the Nordschleife. Neither Ferrari or Mclaren does extenisve testing in the ring if any One other track with less highspeed corners and less demand for dowmforce you will see a mutch smaller gap. The question is more how will the upcoming 488 specialewhatsoever hold a candle against the competition If you adresse the youtube vids i put up, i can only say it refers to the topic 488 vs 720s, and yes i am very interestes in highspeed, as that is what we do on over unrestricted highways in germany when no crowd is out Was it not you over on Mclife to point out how much faster the 488 is than the 650s..
What's your problem with 14 year olds? I'm certain I know more about car development and engineering than you. Furthermore, your lack of sense of humour is hilarious. I'll clarify to you the response to your enigmatic question above as to why people care which car is faster even if you're not racing for money. Power and speed will save your and your passenger's glutei maximi more often than a slower and worse handling machine. Feel free to personal message me if you have any other questions as I'm always glad to help educate.
Sad to see the original post slowly go from semi- logical comparisons to many who felt their beloved 488 might not be the coolest car out there (purely subjective but still many felt somehow challenged nonetheless), to purely speculative postings regarding presumed depreciation, then silly postings claiming random videos somehow prove points, now to absolutely ridiculous sarcastic personal attacks...
Why the litany of excuses? And comparing Ferrari's testing with Mac's? Like seriously? Does mac have their own test track, dedicated factory drivers to engineer the bugs out of the car. I think all here know the answer to that question needless to add the car stands as proof positive they don't. I bet if Mac could produce a sub 7 sec ring time they would be plastering it all over the internet and where ever else they could jam it.
It goes without saying if Mac could get the 720 to produce a ring time that blew the competition to the weeds they would have done so. What we are getting here now is just talk, excuses and sour grapes. Maybe in another 50 years they may be able to sustain a credible argument. Until then Mac should at least offer an under-body skid plate option for those who actually want to drive the car off a billiard table surface.
yeah, big time fake news alert. all you do when you post crap like that is destroy whatever argument you're trying to make.
Image Unavailable, Please Login no excuses at all just facts and you are wrong again, they (mclaren) do not care at all, see article above of the lanzate mclaren.. so any new stories how bad they are ???
common noone1 he has to be right, because his friends expirienced how bad mclaren is, so it is really bad, and even worse on track srapping around all over the place and dont stand a chance againts the 991 Gt3 rs. So the brand is really bad
Kinda funny seeing posts accusing Porsche and Lamborghini of “cheating”. Pretty sure that when ferrari brings two or more cars for journalist testing (one for track and one for 0-60 times) along with a crew of engineers and mechanics, that’s considered “fair”.
Certainly not, because if I read correctly the ones accusing Porsche and Lamborghini are the McLaren supporters - so the Ferrari is also cheating (in addition to being an outdated crap of course). It's just the McLaren that does not have the right driver nor the right tyres, otherwise it'd be faster by far than whatever will exist on earth for the next 6 months or so (when the next McLaren will be unveiled).
All of these manufacturers play games when it comes to performance testing and the media. Ferrari used to be the worst. It's gotten better but it's still rubbish. And the media plays along. For example Mclaren gets huge praise by most British media bc they are pulling for the home team. Chris Harris called the P1 a whole league above a 918 in a video. Not to say Mclaren doesn't make great cars but the hyperbole of that kind of statement from a respected journalist creates a farce. Only way to know for sure is drive the damn things. A good drive makes all those numbers irrelevant and replaces them with feelings which is far more relevant.
This conversation reminds me of a good friend who owns multiple exotics, Aventador, 488, Turbo S etc. The vehicle he drives 90% of the time is a Jeep SUV. He has never tracked any of his cars and occasionally drives them a few miles every month in the summer. But he is obsessed with track times and 0-60 measurements. His exotic car buying decisions are predicated upon numbers. How many on this forum actually take their cars on the track or drag race them. I would guess a tiny percentage, yet the incessant obessesion with how a car performs around the Ring or numbers in straight line speed is kind of comical. Then there are those brand fanatics, usually F guys, who will question the validity of lap times of Lambos, Porsches or Mclarens when they are superior to their beloved brand or will then resort to the common theme that those are simply numbers but those cars lack "soul and emotion". I love cars. I find all of the exotics have individual unique qualities and driving traits. The buying decision is a personal one suited to which model hits your buttons. I could easily own any of them and my personal preferences shift depending upon new models being introduced. It is at times, reassuring when the car you own displays superior performance on the track but for me the determining factor in purchasing is how thrilling and satisfying the car is when I drive it.
Actually the accusations are rubbish. Customer cars have proven time and again that they are every bit as quick as the press cars. In the really old days things were more fishy though...
the really old days were only about 10 years ago for these manufacturers. Things are more above-board now, except for some histrionic statements from journalists and perhaps some of these crazy 'Ring times.
Are it really the manufacturers who drive this game? Read this in the meanwhile relatively stupid thread; pubescent debate about who has the stronger daddy at home, digital self-staging, opinion-influencing by robots steady repeating of the same boring statements, hunting for clicks from our trendy film producers - welcome the the digital world of social media! A nice tip for the one who is not able to put into the right perspective all the entertaining funny social media bs: press log out, go out into the garage, sit in your dream car (if there is one), start the engine and enjoy. Ferrari, McLaren or whatever, those who can not enjoy these cars with a big laugh in the face should go fishing or something else...
I bet many of you spend more time reading and talking on this forum than you do driving your supercars. LOL
When I had the fastest production SUV on the planet I didn't spare anyone a breath while I was driving it. People want ring times to brag. Short and simple. 0-60 is no different otherwise how do we measure things $ to HP, weight to power ratios, etc?
