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2017 FORMULA 1 JAPANESE GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

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    We've been waiting for the new rules to address these issues for quite some time. Honda is not doing "well," but has the 107% rule caused them to miss a start? So many on here want to blame the most recent set of rules ("complicated" V6s) for one team's dominance and other teams' poor form. No...it's been that way for a LONG time. In today's formula, the difference between the top and the bottom is less than it has been in a long time.
     
  2. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

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    Nope. Too many have some rose tinted vision of what F1 WAS...when it, in fact, wasn't. Their (rose tinted) vision is that right before these "awful" engines came around, F1 was Soooo exciting, competitive, and...gosh...anybody could win with just the right attitude and effort...

    So, maybe...

    Either put some rose tinted glasses ON to watch today's races...or, take OFF the rose tinted glasses that have tainted the perception of what F1 WAS. How's that? A bit more clear?
     
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  3. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    What questions? He is a total tool, the personality of a wet cardboard box, fast but dumb..... I've always been able to stand by my comments. If the FIA allowed testing, the merc would be one of many fast cars, and he'd be found short on consistency and racecraft just like always. Best driver in the field - Alonso, but stuck in the **** car of the last few years
     
  4. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    Is he? Ahh, that explains it, I thought it seemed a bit of a silly move to leave the red bull stable, now it makes some sense (as long as gasly doesn't smash it straight away ala lil Maxine when he moved to the top table
     
  5. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    He doesn't have any in F1, he doesn't need any in indycar as he hasn't got the guts needed to race ovals. Imagine that whining plonker wussing his way around the track 'ooh err, he's too close to my behind' 'oh dear, is it okay guys, what's happening, what should I do' 'that was your fault guys, I didn't say to pit, you did' 'why did that fellow try to overtake me?, doesn't he know who I am?' 'Tell Justin to meet me at my trailer, I need a cuddle after that restart'. Hehehehehehehe
     
  6. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm not one that ever said I was "done with F1" but for sure the FIA have done some stupid things over the years that haven't done them any favors

    But the performance of Ferrari since Vettel's bone head move in Baku needs to be talked about and honestly -- the team is a complete F -up at this point.

    And I thought Singapore was the low point.

    If the last 2 events happened to Honda we'd be laughing our asses off at their inadequacy.

    Well..... did the red mist get everyone or is Honda actually more reliable than Ferrari now?
     
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  7. ricksb

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    On paper, the WDC lead was going to change possibly every race, making it one of the most exciting inter-team battles in a while, especially given the 7 WDC's between Seb and Lewis. Lewis has done his part, raising his game to put him in the position to win. Unfortunately, due to bad driver decisions and sudden mechanical fragility, Ferrari and Seb have not kept their end of the bargain.

    It's never over until it's over, but at this point Hamilton can survive a DNF and still be comfortable with 4 races left.
     
  8. ricksb

    ricksb F1 Veteran

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    Justice for all us after-market shield guys
     
  9. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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  10. raider1968

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    A real nail bitter season - not!
     
  11. 635CSI

    635CSI F1 Rookie

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    One thing I will say for Seb, after dreadful mechanical issues is that he isn't publicly turning on his team. Remember Hamilton's veiled accusations towards his own team last year? Insinuating sabotage in favour of Nico?
    In private Seb may be going ape about reliability, and after Baku and Sing maybe he received a rocket himself, but in public he had been extremely professional. Those of us who support the racing TEAM that is Ferrari appreciate such things.
     
  12. Need4Spd

    Need4Spd F1 Veteran

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    It certainly didn't help reliability to have to fix broken cars after two races in a row. Crashing after the last race put unneeded stress on Vettel's tech team, who should have been working on fine-tuning and optimization rather than fixing broken components after a needless after-race crash. Vettel was wise to bite his lip and not go after his mecchies, who had to bust their rears just to get his car into running condition in less than a week's time.
     
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  13. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    F1AT report that Ferrari has pushed on the combustion of the fourth ICE in an attempt to compensate for the 0.9 oil and add a few more BHPs than the ICE 3. They say the new ICE wasn't originally designed with the 0.9 oil rule in mind, so they had two alternatives:
    put a new ICE 3 in the car and lose some performance because of the 0.9 (according to them the gap of ICE 3 to Mercedes was 20-25bhp) so that the gap to Mercedes will open to 30bhp
    or accept the risk to debut the ICE 4 (+new cooling) that is pushed very hard on the combustion side, to gain the power lost because of the 0.9 oil rule and another 10-15bhp (10 according to them 15 IIRC according to motorsport).
    The problems on the spark plugs would happen because of the very advanced combustion of the ICE.
     
  14. crinoid

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    Where did fiat report this?
     
  15. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Its all in italian.......It was NOT FIAT but F1AT(FUnoAT)....looks like Fiat (logo)

    here's the link Crinoid....

    Questo scrivevamo io e il mio amicone @spontonc prima di Monza: "una Power Unit (la 4) che potrebbe decidere le sorti del mondiale" #FUnoAT


    AND


    PG Tعch‏ @SmilexTech 7h7 hours ago

    Per vincere il mondiale, Ferrari non poteva aprire ulteriormente il gap di 20-25 CV tra EVO 4 Mercedes e sua EVO 3. Ci hanno provato #FUnoAT


    and the twitter page

    https://twitter.com/SmilexTech
     
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  16. 05011994

    05011994 Formula 3
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    Sorry Formula 1 has pretty much sucked since 2014, lifelong fan since 1974 find myself broadening my horizons and not wasting time watching it live anymore. Attended 26 races between 1992 and 2013, saving tons of money and enjoying the precious vacation time I get without having to schedule around an F1 race thanks to the FIA and this crap power unit.
     
  17. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    "Never shift under 3000 rpms" :)
     
  18. TurboFreak650

    TurboFreak650 Formula 3

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    I like the way you think!. :D
     
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  19. Igor Ound

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    That’s often a pretty interesting site even if in Italian and suspected the same myself on the engine side. Basically the same guy who knows everything about any cars and is now controversially leaving the Fia for a senior job at a manufacturer, pushed for a very badly written new rule mid season, open to interpretation, that not even Charlie Whiting understood correctly and which destroyed Ferrari’s chances.
    On which note, any conspiracies regarding Sainz stuffing his car at the first corner just before joining one of Toro Rosso’s closest rivals for this year?
     
  20. wildcat326

    wildcat326 Formula 3

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    I don't think he's cunning or talented enough to execute a controlled wreck that would both total his machine and leave him walking away. I doubt any driver would intentionally jeopardize themselves like that.
     
  21. Igor Ound

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    You know who is his F1 mentor on the grid, right? With whom he shares the same manager. He just “forgot to lose his memory”. ;)
     
  22. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    He owes the team nothing less in public-this professional response. He also owes the team the performance and points without losing his 'cool' hitting others or on the radio. He has failed at that this year. For a 4 time WDC he's learned not alot in terms of keeping 'cool'. Much of that point deficit is his alone with his less than optimal actions. Vettel is not all that great overall. He thinks of himself it appears, too often before the team he shows such deep respect for now. I was never a real fan of his. I am not at all now. Seeing him and Kimi depart would be more than welcome. They have the best overall car and did not realize its potential with inconsistency and qualy errors via Kimi, and utter hot head school boy rage, and poor strategic thinking with Vettel. The team beyond this pair of drivers deserve much more from their pilots.
     
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  23. Caracciola

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    This from the team that spends the most in F1, more than Mercedes, and more than Red Bull and Toro Rosso put together !!!
     
  24. Igor Ound

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    I wouldn’t be so sure of that anymore.
     
  25. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Ferrari are not delivering as a team. That much is clear. The drivers are letting the side down - Kimi is utterly worthless and shouldn't be there, Vettel is very fast and should be there but he needs to stop losing his head and self-harming as he did in Baku, Singapore and Malaysia. The engineers are letting the side down - how many PU failures??? The mechanics are letting the side down - messing up the rushed replacement of Vettels engine at Malaysia, and probably the reason for Kimis retirement there too. The management are letting the side down - inability to define and implement a performing race team organisation, then failing to address the obvious weaknesses that are plain to see. The accountants - allowing such vast sums of money to be spent unwisely year after year. It goes on and on. It has to stop. Time for sweater man to wield the axe and sort this problem out. Nobody else seems able to do that... Very frustrating - and no obvious solution in sight.
     
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