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Discussion in 'Australia' started by ashsimmonds, Oct 21, 2006.

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  1. simon klein

    simon klein Two Time F1 World Champ
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  2. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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    911R passed in @ $640k
    959 went for $1.6million top seller of the night.
    Carrera GT passed in @ $1 million.

    GTHO P3 passed in @ $430k
    Orange Charger passed in @ $140k
    Mustard Hardie 500 Charger sold for $181k

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  3. greg246

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    We just don't have critical mass to sell so many high value cars at auction. CTS tried it years ago and failed, no different this time


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  4. wrxmike

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    That's only part of it, the other problems are:
    Venue: Gosford is not particularly accessible to inspect a car prior to purchase
    Auctioneer: no experience in selling collectable cars
    Quality of vehicles offered vs the price: The market is strong for cars in top condition, some of the museum Ferrari's are pretty average - those cars are always going to be hard to sell.
    Auction vs sale ? A lot of deals on high end cars involve trade ins and or finance, so an Auction is not going to be helpful for those type of buyers.
     
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  5. SPEEDCORE

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    Lambo Miura was passed in @ $1.35mill
     
  6. Bill26

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    Does anyone know the sell price/top bid on the silver 365GTC4 (with royal provenance)?

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  7. sinkman

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    does anyone know if the Mercedes 320B sold?
     
  8. Dazanz

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    Can anyone tell me how the 1962 250GTE went at auction
     
  9. Maranello550

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    I was told it hit the early to mid 400K mark......and passed in...... None of the Ferrari bids were strong apart from the 308 GT4 which needed a lot of work with no books or tools......
     
  10. simon klein

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  11. greg246

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  12. Maranello550

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  13. Ferraridoc

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    Sounds like a great way to get a valuation on all your stock, and have the auction house pay for all the logistics.
     
  14. simon klein

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    LOL,LOL,LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  15. Horse

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    Don’t laugh, probably your books!


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  16. moretti

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    Not if it says the cambelts were changed :p
     
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  17. Maranello550

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    Write off...... Tatally reflected in the price.....Still tempting though...
     
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  18. Ferraridoc

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    Man, that's still a lot of car for $100K. Depends on the procedure to re-register - that creased rear quarter is very odd.
     
  19. simon klein

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    'Kay so if it's classified as a repairable writeoff,it will be identified what specific part is the written off bit.
    Repair that back to manufacturers condition and get it signed off by an authorised engineer and you have a reregisterable car.

    Or that's how it works up here,one of my rentas was whacked up the date,a minor part of the rear subframe was slightly kinked(klinked!).
    It was repaired by a reputable panel beater and was taken to Cairns to be assessed.
    It costs about $450 up here to go through the process.
     
  20. Aircon

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    I thought I heard, you can't register a write off in NSW any more and Victoria was following that example. Can someone confirm?
     
  21. greg246

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    if it was easy enough to do, surely you would get it registered before putting it up for sale?? That would add significant value.

    No such thing as a cheap Ferrari..... If it's too good to be true...... etc
     
  22. greg246

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    As far as I know.....





    The NSW Government has announced new legislation to ban the re-registration of all statutory written-off vehicles (WOV). The move comes as the Government toughens its stance on car rebirthing, and means the WOV's registration is cancelled and recorded against its VIN on the Register. A statutory write-off will never be permitted to be re-registered in any State or Territory. It is hoped the new legislation, introduced on 31st January, 2011 will help stop the sale of potentially unsafe vehicles to unsuspecting customers.


    What is a Statutory Write-Off?


    A "statutory write-off" refers to a vehicle too badly damaged to be repaired to a standard that is safe for road use. The vehicle identification number (VIN) is recorded as a statutory write-off, and the vehicle is not allowed to be registered in any State or Territory. These vehicles are only suitable for use as parts or scrap metal. Vehicles have to be marked as a statutory write off when they have been in salt water, fresh water above the dashboard for more than a certain time, and also in the cases of extreme damage.


    What is a Repairable Write-Off (RWO)?


    Cars that have been in an incident and suffer significant damage can be classified as a “repairable write-off” (RWO). Essentially, these cars are deemed uneconomical to repair by an insurance company and a payout is made to the owner for the value of the vehicle. Many of these RWO's are sold at damaged vehicle auctions, repaired by their owners, and put through a written-off vehicle inspection. Once the repaired vehicle is deemed roadworthy, it re-registered and can be sold on. However, a vehicle that is classified as a "repairable write-off" will have a listing on the written off vehicle register (see sample Car History Report).


    What if I buy a Repairable Write-Off (currently registered)?


    There is nothing essentially wrong with buying a repairable write-off as it must have passed a number of regulatory checks before it is re-registered and put back on the road. But, what it will affect is the perceived value of the vehicle, as a RWO will generally fetch a much lower price on the market. Buyers need to keep this in mind when negotiating on the price of the purchase.


    What if I buy a Repairable Write-Off (currently unregistered)?


    Roads and Maritime Services (RMS) will only consider an application to repair and re-register a RWO in limited circumstances. This applies when there is no non-repairable damage and if the vehicle fits one of the exempt categories (see Registering a Repairable Write-Off). If authorisation to repair to vehicle is granted, it must be repaired to the manufacturer’s guidelines or recognised industry standards. Once repairs are complete, your repairer will give you a Certificate of Compliance declaring that the vehicle has been repaired to the required standards. You’ll then need to have the vehicle inspected at an Authorised Unregistered Vehicle Inspection Station (AUVIS), and get an identity and safety check. The vehicle will also need be inspected by the RMS Vehicle Identification Inspection Unit (VIIU). It is recommended that you keep all information to do with the repair process, including invoices and receipts for parts, to support your application for registration.


    How can I find out if a vehicle is a Repairable Write Off?


    Unfortunately, sellers may not be upfront about a car history. Many sellers will make up personal reasons for why the car is priced so low, like the owner lives overseas and is looking to sell the car at any price etc..ar market – or worse still, try to illegally sell an “statutory write-off” which has been deemed unfit for the roads and must be used for scrap.


    A RWO stays registered with the Written-off Vehicle Register, so it’s easy to find out if a seller is being upfront about the vehicle’s past. Therefore, an iRego History Report can really save you money when it matters. By knowing the vehicle is in fact a RWO you’ll be armed with valuable information on what the car is really worth and how much you’ll be willing to pay.


    Why has the NSW Government done this?


    There is a black market for purchasing RWO's at auctions, then using stolen parts to rebirth and register the car and sold for a tidy profit. This isn’t being done by licensed repairers but by unscrupulous operators in backyards and workshops using stolen parts, who then sell the vehicles to unwary motorists.


    Some consumers are being taken for a ride and these motorists might be driving around in what’s effectively a stolen vehicle. More importantly, many of these vehicles have had dodgy repairs which can mask major structural damage. And, they are extremely unsafe.


    Car re-birthing is a significant problem which has been known to have links to organised crime syndicates. But, the new laws will put a massive dent in these illegal operations. It’s estimated that as many as six out of ten of the 20,537 RWO's presented for re-registration in 2009 posed serious questions about the origin of the parts used to repair them.


    http://www.sydneyautoinspections.com.au/buying-a-write-off/4591403718
     
  23. simon klein

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what this says.....after I'd written all my stuff..

    I think it;s the classification of 'writeoff' Qld has the WOVR,written off vehicle register.
    As an example,In the South East corner(and elsewhere I suspect) of Qld there are a very high proportion of hailstorms,caryards hate 'em of course.
    What it does is leaves a huge number of cars in various stages of dentedness,this leaves the car looking like shi^e but still quite drivable,Karen and I looked at the idea once...
    You /they can have the car repairably written off(as I suspect was the case with 'the crab') clean up on the insurance and put 'em up for sale,you then,as I said above,find out what the writeoff problem is,fix it and get it signed off.

    Some states possibly may not have that option.
    It's probably something your Department of transport or whoever can give you the info about.
     
  24. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Well, that cleared that up :p

    I think the lawyers call that "reasonable doubt" , as in, I doubt I understood any of that :D
     
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