Two more guys that are obviously clueless according to the infinite wisdom of many fchat members Vettel: “As Ferrari, we are on the right track and I firmly believe that we can be at the front in 2018.” That is despite the fact that most insiders agree that Hamilton is in almost scarily good form. But Vettel insisted: “I am not afraid of Lewis. “On the contrary, I like racing against him. Because if you win against a Lewis Hamilton, you’re proud because you know that the level he drives at is extremely high.” Alonso: Alonso believes Hamilton is a worthy champion in 2017 who has also excelled both when he’s had a dominant and an under-performing car in F1 which makes him standout against his fellow world champion rivals. “He was able to win in the junior categories before moving into F1,” Alonso said. “He already had trophies and championships in his pocket coming and arrived in F1 in every single season performing very competitively apart from one or two with Jenson when he had some issues there. “Lewis is one of the champions who has been able to win with a dominant car, like the last three years, with a good car, like in 2010 or 2012, and with bad cars like 2009 or 2011. Not all the champions can say that.”
Alonso's butt must still be hurting from the pounding he received from Seb 4 years in a row....rubb some salt on it Fred, might make it better !!!
It IS simple to survive on an Internet forum... One, act your age. Two, if something doesn't interest you, move on... Two seemingly difficult tasks for so many posters in this forum. It's not new...it seems to be the culture that has developed for years. It does seem to be flowing as opposed to ebbing at the moment.
Thank you sir..now i cam properly give my opinion on the subject.....yes, he will have 2 of them. First one stating that in 2008 the catual champion was Felipe massa but the FIA chose to hand him the trophy instead by validating a race that was rigged and a farse. second one will state that besides being given a dominet car, his team mate was put on a leash and told not to get in his way so he could win the title....when they removed the leash (probably because Elton was thinking he owened the team) he was soundly beaten.
Holy moley! I had no idea! First, well done Vettel! And Nico and Lewis..... Big deal! Those Mercedes stats are insane.
#171 for starters. It's not even that group 44 demands we think he's great. They demand we have to love him too. Like you and your backhanded compliments comment. No **** they're backhanded, I can't stand the guy but I also will admit he's good. Oh well, deal with it. Then you have winners like 330P3 in here doing everything in his power to slight Vettel and anyone else in order to prop up LH. It's just sad. Very insecure people.
Most don't. The domination of the Mercedes in this era is just absurd. I shocked myself when I looked at the numbers.
So I come home after a long day and I look forward to see some pearls of whisdom and what do I get? One is summing up "facts" that only exists in his head comparing drivers over several different years to tell that one guy must be xyz quicker than another guy who was even in his first retirement when the other came arond....and if people ask where the facts are in this drivel all that is replied is "haters" and "unmature". Maybe those repeating these words over and over again should think what it says about their "maturity"??? One thing: according to Group44 Lewis was a talent and one of the best since the first day he raced in F1 against Alonso...so may I ask where all you guys have been all the years while Lewis was driving for McLarenn and why you decided to climb from under your rock only since Lewis started winning in a dominant Mercedes? And what I still not get: why are you guys permantently bash Seb to elevate Lewis? Just as with Nico you obviously still not understad that when you talk down Lewis main opponents it does not make him look great when he does win and even less when he looses against them like he did last years...So if Seb is so much weaker than Lewis, why was Lewis behind him in points for a long time in this season?
Great point. As I was saying in post 208. Look at the vitriol spit at Rosberg from Group 44. It is psychotic. Look, I know if kills you guys he lost, but it will be OK. Lewis is still a good driver. LH fanboys try anything in their power to tear down MSC, Rosberg, Vettel, Alonso etc etc in order to prop up Hamilton, then they whine and complain when anyone does anything other than bow down to him when in reality they are doing the exact same thing they complain about. Bizarre behavior.
Are you trying to convince yourself this is what is said, because I haven't read anything about demands to be loved, how bizarre. You stated your case fair enough, you hate him but think he is a good driver, I don't have to deal with anything.
Maybe this is all the "haters" ask for here all the time: that group44 accepts that Lewis 4 WDC are not worth more or less than Sebs 4 WDC because he "happened to be in the right car at the right time" instead of constructing reasons (like post #38 or #139) why it is something completely different? That they end their double standards like the one that Seb is lucky to be in the RB over the years but Lewis is "forging his own destiny" or nonsense like he turned the Mercedes into a winner but denying the same when talking about Schumacher? Or telling Lewis never had a No.2 driver when teaming up with Kovallainen or Bottas like Lewis only fought the titans for his title... Group44 should not behave like they had a friendly conversation and all of the sudden the "haters" turned up and started to take over the place as it was obviously the other way round: there was silence all the years (although group44 must have been aware of Lewis talent dunring the McLaren years as well) and when Lewis started winning in a dominant car all of the sudden they popped up and told the world what a genius he is for doing so... Group44 is far from being the victim as they like to see themselves, it started with toil/tesla and a few were happy to take over the missionary work in a Ferrari-forum and then they are suprised that not everybody agrees with them...
Just thinking to myself that Fangio SHOULD have an asterix next to one of his WDC due to Peter Collins handing over his car to JMF when his car died . At that stage of the championship eithr driver could have won the WDC but Collins ceded to Fangio as he thought he would get a WDC later in his racing career . he didn't, he died shortly after this magnanimous gesture, so, although Fangio got the WDC that year it could just as easily been Collins'
Schumacher got the fastest qualifying lap at Monaco in his 40s....that means Schumacher in his 40s was 8% faster than Lewis in his 20s
So you joined on Wednesday to share "this" with us? Something that is so constructed that it does not exist anywhere but your head??? Am I the only one or does that sound very familiar??? A cat might have seven lifes, so this might be the third
Hello William..... how ya doing? Someone bought you a calculator and book about arithmetic for your birthday then? That diatribe makes your head explode, and then you go to sports scientists, and they will tell you that there is no way to take into account the various other parts of the equation necessary to get a proper result, you can't use just the one calculation, it would need to be a full logarithm, including the car statistics in reference to its competitors, the weather conditions at each and every GP, and at each and every point of qualifying allowing for the changes in track condition even during the same sessions compared to each and every protagonist, tyre conditions accounted for where used/new and the spec vary per car per driver, per session tested etc. A calculation based on simply the driver results at any sessions, especially when you are comparing different eras of cars/drivers, is simply not a reliable nor accurate assessment I suggest that we will not categorically know which of vettel or elton is the faster over one lap until they drive the same car, wit the same fuel loads and all weather and track conditions are the same. Given both have a reputation for being a qualifying specialist, I suspect we will find there is little between them. It would not be possible to consider Massa or Kimi in their prime to today, because they drove very different cars, with different fuels, tyre compounds, some different circuits, etc. Their reaction times, while still impressive today, would likely be slightly worse than in 2002/2007 and 2005 thru 2009, when each were considered among the fastest of their day. To knock any of these drivers based on your basic calculation would be ill advised and non productive, because it really doesn't have any scientific substance, it's merely a few very basic calculations that you are able to derive a false importance from
Schumacher had a WDC capable car in 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999 (but broke his leg, so won't count this), 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 Ok, that's 10 years. He won 7 and a further 2 went down to the last race. That said, at least 4 of those were only WDC capable because MSC was driving them. His competition had FAR superior cars in 1994, 1995, 1997 and 1998. Look where his teammates those seasons were...nowhere. Schumacher was just on another level. I've never seen a guy able to drag a car to punch above its weight better than Michael. Only guy in the same zip code is Alonso. Hamilton has never made a serious challenge or won a WDC when his rivals were in superior equipment. Alonso has (2010 and 2012), but not Hamilton. Granted a lot of that is because Hamilton's cars have been SO good throughout his career, which isn't his fault, but IMO he doesn't excel unless everything is perfect for him. Vettel is similar. Also if you think pre-crash and post-crash Massa are the same guy, I have a bridge to sell you. Of course Massa says he feels no different, what is he supposed to say "yeah I kinda suck now?" Come on now...
Lololo, Felipe was probably the fastes driver on the grid before his accident, in 2008 he was taking poles in very dificult circuits and dominating races with ease, making also great recoveries from the back of the grid...i remenmber in 09 he defeated Button at silverstone driving that dog of a car that was the f60 against the amazing Brawn....Jenson was a good driver but couldn't hold a candle to Felipe. Without his acident Alonso would have had a hard time at Ferrari.
The "mystery" user admitted to having been here for years despite the account being new, so he was banned for having a duplicate account.
Thank you. One more thing I'd like to mention is that Rubens is not nearly as appreciated as he should be. He was VERY fast and not some second-rate driver just because MSC at the peak of his powers easily beat him. In 7 seasons prior to joining Michael, he had never lost to a teammate. He was extremely impressive in the 1999 Stewart, even taking a pole and bagging 3 podiums in a Cosworth powered car way down on power and a tiny aero budget. The very next year he looks pedestrian next to MSC, but it's not like Rubens lost any of his speed, that's just the Schumacher effect. Rubens at age 36 in 2008 beat Jenson Button while at Honda and damn near won the WDC with Brawn at age 37 the following year. He was highly competitive with Button in his prime even while old and at the very end of his career. The season after that in the Williams in 2010 at age 38/39 he destroyed Nico Hulkenburg who had won everything at a junior level and was supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread at the time. So to try and insinuate that MSC had some pushover teammate is a fool's errand. Even Irvine almost won a WDC in a car slower than Hakkinen's McLaren while Michael was out with the broken leg so it's not like he was crap either. Massa was smoked by Michael in 2006 and he was a corner away from beating Hamilton to a WDC in 2008. If not for Singapore and Hungary that year he would have won easily. Just my 2 cents.
