Will Lewis' career have an asterisk?

I completely agree with you but...

What would you do when this guy comes into your favorite pub yelling xxxx is the best and all the others suck...and he comes back every single day...would you walk away from your favorite pub never coming back?
I guess if this guy turns away more and more guests sooner or later the owner of the pub will show him the door...

 

Depends, if they keep telling you that you are stupid, or call you names, or accuse you of trolling, you might be tempted to retaliate?

The bottom line is that if someone has an opinion about something, it’s no ones right to try to force them to change it, or to harrange them or call them stupid.

Too often a discussion gets derailed because someone doesn’t like something we may be discussing, such as a haircut or dress sense of a driver, or the fact they crashed into a ferrari, or whatever. If they feel the opposite, by all means voice that opinion, but they shouldn’t be expecting everyone to stop the discussion just because they disagree with them. That would be daft.

The threads tend to be pretty descriptive of the content, it’s no surprise Lewis isn’t well liked or supported among Tifosi. Hence, if the thread is discussing how much he is disliked, it doesn’t take a lot of thought to realise it’s not going to be a great thread to join in for Lewis fans. Similarly, if a thread were set up to congratulate him, you’d likely find people like me that don’t appreciate him don’t bother reading it

That said, I set up a Lewis appreciation thread for the fans of his to rejoice about him a while ago, and none bothered to contribute. They preferred to go to ones where people were discussing Lewis In A negative way and try to convert them by acting very aggressively, and then reporting anyone who disagrees as though they were sweetness and light

We all love a bit of banter, and most stuff posted my many, me included, is lighthearted and not to be taken as the final word, so why don’t the Lewis fans that get so annoyed just take a step back, and maybe start a few threads themselves where they can wax lyrical about the wonderkid!, I definitely won’t be interested in joining in of course!


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To Peter,

well if it is your favorite pub so that's most probably because you feel amonst similar.
If you would simply ignore him ( that's what i would do) he will turn to his next "victim" with the probably the same result. After a while the guy will most likely try to find his luck in another pub.

However, I do think however that this comparison works both ways.
You will be face to face to him too, So you will behave much more sensitive. If it stays with lets say verbal annoyance, would you like to ask the owner of the pub to remove him? I guess not as that would make you look pretty silly. Instead you will take care by avoiding and ignoring. Same applies here.

And be honest, is your favorite pub only your favorite pub because everybody is everybody IS alike? No, but they will most probably ACT alike. My favorite place is where i can have a fierce discussion once in a while but end up drinking a beer together. Life without discussions is boring.

 

I don't set foot in Wetherspoons for a reason.

 

Yes, but obviously there are a few people joining this forum not really interested in having a discussion. And if one starts to attack all people not thinking alike as haters the bar owner might do himself a favour kicking him.

It always starts with a "verbal annoyance"...To exxagerate it and stay within your example with a pub: every mass brawl in a pub starts with "verbal annoyance", don´t you think it might be easier to remove the cause in time than wait until it is too late?

 

you are right if you use this example to the end. The only difference here is that in this forum we are not in a pub where there's an owner present constantly. So you HAVE two options 1 start a fight with words but as you already mentionned the guy is pushing it so you will end up thrown on the street as well.
2 ignore him. (unlike i a real pub you will not end up with a chair in you neck) If the abuse continues notify the owner (read: moderator)

unlike in a bar ignoring WILL do the job, but it might take more time than you like. Just stay put.

 

Have you ever seen Bas. He’s built like a gladiator! I wouldn’t be disagreeing with him in a pub no matter what he says, I’d just say thank you sir and hope he passes me by hehe.


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Again I agree with you, that sounds all good in theory...
But look back over the last two years: the mess we are in started when toil/tesla started to "pollute" this forum and a lot of people told the moderators to stop that nonsense and all we repeatingly heard was "it´s freedom of speech". Finally after things heated both of them were banned...That did not even keep at least one of them rejoining for the same purpose...
So far so good, but is it necessary that the history repeats over and over again?

 

Gladiator? I do not know this brand but it sounds like something old and not very sophisticated.

 

you can always leave the pub

 

Huh? Not sure what you mean. It sounds a little off to me. A gladiator is a supreme fighter in Roman times who was trained in all aspects of hand to hand combat, and were primarily engaged in performing for emperors. They were the best of the fighting troops, and treated to the best conditions.

In case it needs clarification, I was joking along the lines of the pub situations you were discussing with Peter, that in a pub, Bas is the sort of chap that everyone agrees with regardless, as he looks like he could crush someone with one hand, while wrestling a bear with the other

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As I told you...this is not what I want
And I don´t see why I should leave instead of them....

 

If a user only and always posts "Hamilton did a fine job" or "What a great move by Hamilton" or other laudatory comments, I might consider that boring, but not trolling. On the other hand, if a user consistently posts "Hamilton smashed the pack, what say you now turkey fanboys" or "When are you guys going to stop rooting for losers and join the Hamilton love squad" or the like, then I might start examining the posting pattern for trolling. Beyond this you're not going to get a definitive answer from us and that is in your best interests. We do see trolling and we do ban trolls, but their behavior changes and adapts to any specific benchmarks or guidelines we state, so we no longer state them.

The motivations for why a user and where a user chooses to post is not within our power to discern. We have many users who have registered on a Ferrari site, solely to post in the Politics and Religion (P&R) forum. I find that strange, but that behavior does not automatically make them bad users or trolls. Many, but not all, of these users are thoughtful, intelligent and well-mannered; so narrowly focussed posting is not itself an indicator.

A banned user recently came back from his 30 day ban and criticized my ban of him, while ignoring what he was responding to. Let's be clear that any user that posts that another user is a "moron", "Idiot", "stupid", or the like, or tells another user to "**** off" or "eat ****", or the like, will get a ban on this forum, F1 or anywhere else. That is a longstanding, well-defined rule on the entire site, varying only in that the ban duration may depend on the circumstances and location (30 days in F1 at this time). Any user that feels an urge to utter such comments is MUCH better off reporting the posts that instigated that urge. A single post is evidence of a personal attack. But trolling is rarely supported by a single post and may take an entire posting history to support, so it may take many reports before we get there. The more that "trolls" are reported, the more we will pay attention and sustain a conviction that a user is in fact trolling.

Besides reporting harassing or provocative posts, if a user is just inane, repetitive, myopic, or boring, then use the IGNORE feature. The fact that many users seem to be letting other fans "get their goat" is as much on them as on the posters. Is it really so easy to instigate knee jerk emotional reactions from seemingly intelligent and successful people?

 

and how many others were banned as a result of the frustration caused by those two and others, when it was obvious that they were trolling from day one? Those two, and others like them, are the reason the rules in here got changed to what they are now. Was never needed before for all the years before the Hamilton love fest. There's something very odd about some of his fans, others, of course, are absolutely ok as PeterS and Bas already discussed.

 

That sounds good, I'm just a boring tifosi...... see, told you I was harmless!

 

So if we are "haters", "delusional" and "blinkered" not to see the achievements of the driver in question this would be a "examined posting pattern for trolling" according to what you wrote. Interesting, I guess there was a lot of trolling going on lately
But thanks ro replying anyway...conclusion is that we might have to sit that out until a certain driver ends his career.

 

If the rumours of ricciardo to Mercedes are true that I've heard recently, elton may be retiring sooner than you think, about the end of 2018, assuming he doesn't get a drive at the Williams retirement home, or back at mclaren when fernando calls time

 

lighten up, it was meant as a joke!!

 

Cool. Sorry, couldn’t tell, [emoji3]


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I was going to try and be a little looser with this particular guideline, after all you seem like a good bunch of guys just out to have fun. But, since you want exactness, I'll use the original guidelines instead, to the letter.

You do understand that there are reports flying around on a pretty regular basis out of here, and each time it's after someone, anyone, dares to disagree with any of the Ferrari gang here.

It is NOT trolling to post a salient point that does not toe the Ferrari line, or start a new thread extolling the virtues of Hamilton, any more than it is trolling to start a thread singing the praises of the happy folks at Ferrari.

Clear now?

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And you guys need to help us out on this.

Not only by trying to dial it back, but if you see someone trolling, report it, we'll take it from there.

If someone is being abusive, report it, again, we'll take it from there.

But, don't use the report button for retribution, or to address some long simmering personal grievance. that'll be annoying, to say the least.

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^^^^I reported that post

 

That may very well be possible. I think Lewis' goal was to meet or exceed Schumacher's WDC count. Losing to Nico in 2016 threw that off track, and he has added competition from Max. He may get the WDC in 2018, but it will be really tough. If he succeeds, he will be tied with Fangio! He may retire to other ventures or if he still has the competitive bug, stay in F1. I don't think he'll go to Williams, but if McLaren has a good car, he might land there...or if Sergio has his way, Ferrari.

 

Ferrari don't want him, my contacts have confirmed that many times, and Lewis himself openly admitted such. It's either mclaren or retirement I reckon

 

Shocking.

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