488 GTO ?

Why my friend, Akebon's is the new way I heared ... (What's your name ? Please fill out your data) ...

 

Thing is, if we on FChat are aware of all these facts (fiction) etc I am sure Ferrari know a massive amount more about the 720S than we do. So they are fully aware of what to do.

Great part about this is blog is we get the answer in March

 

Obviously the car will have mind blowing capabilities. Isn’t that assumed? I really couldn’t care less if a McLaren or Lamborghini can do 0-60 1/8 a second faster. I’ve said it before, it’s all about the design to me.

 

Only objective of the Factory is: cashing ....

 

Ferrari doesn't have to play into the numbers game as much as McLaren does. A McLaren HAS to be faster than a Ferrari to have any real appeal.

 

So what do we have, know at the moment? Not really some hard facts...

 

That's really spot on and exactly how I feel

 

Akebono is just a small and relatively young Japanese firm that makes brake pads. They don't have the vast resources and racing experience of Brembo or Carbon Industrie (owned by Tokai Carbon).

 

I have been a huge Ferrari fan and continue to purchase them (360 spider, scuderia, 458 Italian and now hopefully a 488 soon) , however I will say that unless you are at the top of the pyramid, we common folks don't get an opportunity to get one of the special Ferrari cars (i.e. Speciale, 488GTO ) etc at MSRP and have to wait years or pay a premium... I have several friends that have decided to get McLarens because they are welcome to the family and are treated like family and all have had/have amazing experiences with the purchase of their McLarens. I have driven the 720s and it is just an amazing car. I keep on trying to stay positive, but know that it will be years for me to get a 488GTO , because of the way Ferrari does business. Which is extremely frustrating to me personally.

I would hope that Ferrari North America reads these threads and figure out a way to get these cars in the hands of true enthusiast vs investors and flippers. The guys that get these Ferrari have warehouses with cars and they sit there.... while the guy that can afford a car or two sits on the sideline looking in...... just saying....

The McLarens 720s guys I know are buying them because they love the performance and they are available. If your concerned with depreciation, don't buy a car.... buy real estate... I look at buying a car as enjoying your efforts at how you were able to afford one and not what happens on the exit. Looking forward to hearing more about the 488 GTO because I expect to get spanked on the track from my buddies with the McLarens and I'm getting tired of it .... LOL

 

I’m curious - did you buy your Ferrari’s from dealers? Were they new orders or used cars? Your ownership history is impressive and should be more than enough to order 488, and even a 488 GTO. You may not be first in line, but I’m sure it will be worth the wait.

 

Unfortunately, all were used and not from dealers ( only because looking for a car with specific options) is looking for a needle in a haystack, ... I bought them when I found the options I wanted.

however the 488..... will most likely be from a dealer.

 

Imo not correct ! I saw the brakes on the McL P1 and also these rotors are Akebono, but far better than the usual CCM brakes.

As McL states: the next generation in brakes ...

 

In what regard? Just because they are shiny? That's just for show. F1 brakes are not shiny. Heck, aeroplane brakes are not shiny!

 

Talking about discs, I'd prefer to have grooved discs instead of drilled ones, it would make sense for a more radical orientation.

 

Robert, Ferrari is making a concerted effort to get more cars into the hands of enthusiasts who don’t simply park them away. They are also anti-flipper. Corporate wants their cars to be actively used and seen by the public. They are purposefully targeting a more youthful, engaged buyer.

I used to buy used Ferraris from various authorized dealers. It does help tremendously to buy from a single dealer. A mix of used & new has worked for me. Best of luck with securing a 488 / 488VS.

 

Great post

 

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This may be wishful thinking, but excuse me its total BS.

Ferrari is playing games. If they cared about getting cars into drivers hands they would be producing their drivers cars in sufficient numbers.

 

about McL brakes - Akebono is way more than brake pads... : http://www.akebono-brake.com/english/product_technology/sports/index.html
anyhow... i had a 570s. was a good car. but they still have plenty of issues - many of them electrical nature... i pull off my hat for McL what they do and how they do it within those crazy times where a lot of succesfull people have to beg for beeing able to spend 300k.

allocations: same as currently in the P world. not F or P are the errors in NorthAmerica. the "greedy" dealers are.
But hey. They are waking up each morning to raise their numbers. And you do make more money with a client who is not a petrolhead which spends his last pair of trousers for such a gorgeous car. you will sell the wealthy collectors (some of them flippers) more cars. maybe also other ones from one of your dealerships...
try to reach area sales managers - those are the ones which likes to get customers which drive their cars. they will allocate one in plus for the dealer of your choice.

 

Every time I see a new post on the "488 GTO" thread I hope to read about the latest rumours, teaser pics and specs.........obviously I get let down not just daily but hourly. WHEN WILL WE HAVE DETAILS AGHHHHHHH

 

I totaly agree ;-)

 

Boxerman, your posts are generally pessimistic about the current state of affairs at Ferrari. I know numerous young buyers in their 30’s and 40’s who have received LE allocations with no more buying history, at least in terms of total number of Ferraris, than Robert. And I know older, less engaged owners with tons of buying history that have been passed over in recent years for LE’s.

The younger, less established customers receiving LE cars are engaged, enthusiastic owners who actively use their cars and participate in organized public Ferrari activities such as rallies. TOFM recently showcased some of these folks. The new Ferrari showrooms have wallboards showcasing younger drivers in the cars. None of this is accidental. Ferrari doesn’t want these cars, and especially the LE models, to be sequestered away in museum-like garages.

The tdf was produced in a run of 799, which is significantly higher than prior LE runs of 499. Of course, not enough to meet demand but that’s simply wise business and marketing. Folks generally covet what they cannot easily obtain.

 

I see so making lamo Gt cars and then only selling 799 cars people who drive really want to buy makes sense. To me it makes sense to do things the other way around.

The reason why Maclren who came from nowhere even found space in this market is because of the way ferrari retails cars.

I dont doubt ferrari allocates a few cars to young tech billionaires and wall streeters. Participating in club street events means zip.

 

"[Gordon Murray] stresses it’s meant “for real-world conditions”. That means not too much power? He nods. We talk about the McLaren 720S, which I’ve just been driving, or the Ducati Panigale motorbike he had been considering but rejected – things that are too fast for the road. “You can never even use maximum revs on those 200 horsepower bikes. You’d be dead or in prison.” he sighs.

“I just want to get back to real driving.” Today’s cars are “losing the plot on involvement.” says Murray."

 

If you think the 488 and F12 are “lamo GT cars”, you’re living in a fantasy land.

None of my many friends who have received new LE allocations are tech billionaires or Wall Streeters. Another myth.

I personally don’t care for McLarens, but welcome their presence in the marketplace. Competition improves the breed.

I am really looking forward to the 488 VS, because the 488 is already such a capable car.

 

Bundy, to your point, the profile for owners yields more "points" for younger buyers, than older, correct? it only makes sense....as they should be around longer to buy cars.