Will Lewis' career have an asterisk?

“Lewis sucks” translates into l’m a hardcore Ferrari fan and my team is not winning championships so I blame the guy who is winning championships. Perfectly normal fan behavior, not worth debating with facts or logic.

 

Sadly untrue. We also have Kimi Sucks and Massa Sucks threads. It's just normal fan behaviour and not a Ferrari fans only thing.

 

wow

 

Those only happen when they don't win for Ferrari.

 

yap..thats how bad things can get in eltonland!...noe behave or Elton will lock you up inside his closet!

 

Ah, but then if those were the reason for the change; no asterisk. He made an apparent step down in the grid order cashing in on his talent/name. He couldn't make that cash in without his talent. He stepped into F1 and impressed in his very first race. There is a very short list of drivers that have done that in Formula 1.

Bas, as far as HP advantage on the grid, how would Hamilton know what the other engine manufacturers were going to have? Keep in mind this is 2012 when Hamilton agreed to go to Mercedes. The 2014 dominant car had no reference of how other potential teams Hamilton could of gone to would perform. Red Bull, Ferrari, etc. Then there was the possible deal with Mclaren finding a new engine builder.

No matter how you slice it, Hamilton left a secure at the time top team with a favored driver status and went to a midfield performer. It would be a similar to making a move to Renault before this season was over.

 

Yes agreed, there again you have the posters that the chicken option, because they have no other options, with no facts, and go round liking posts, that say Hamilton sucks ect...it's so funny and puerile at the same time.

 

It's good to know that childish sports trash talk still exists. Sarcasm intended . . .

 

Mercedes in the years had been collecting a great team together, and the 2014 engine specs where already known. Mercedes obviously had a fantastic concept already in the works. Whatever happened, he'd be driving with a Mercedes engine. They obviously impressed Hamilton.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/mercedes-amg-f1-engine-to-have-massive-power-advantage-in-2014-65188.html]

Note the article date. Yes 2013 when Hamilton already drove for the team but this is when it became public...obviously talks and rumours within F1 generally happen well in advance of the public knowing.

 

Hamilton publicly joined Mercedes a year before that article, what the other engine manufacturers would bring was probably not information he had. Ferrari have obviously manged to step up their game to beat Mercedes engines this year.

Hamilton was ultimately leaving a top team for a midfield team. It was more than two years from when the change was announced, to when Hamilton got his next WDC. I fail to see how that puts an asterisks next to his name.

No matter how you slice it, it means he was one of the best. He was able to get that position in a dominant car. Mercedes could of hired others in 2012 for that spot. Mercedes chose Hamilton not just one a one year test contract, but a multi-year deal at $100Million. They wouldn't of made such an offer if Hamilton was not such a great talent.

Schumacher was able to drive for Ferrari based on his talent, and achieved WDC's with some dominant cars in the latter days he had with Ferrari. I see no asterisks for that; so also did Hamilton leave a team that he had recently won a WDC with to go to a team that he had in the past not even been on the same lap on at the finish of many GP's.

 

So many teed-off people -- hilarious!

I'm not a Hamilton fan, but respect everything he has done. It would be absolutely asinine not to.

 

Typical....if you do not have an argument then the opinion of others is belittled and everybody is pigeon-holed.
All you guys can do is "look at the stats" as they have nothing to do with the cars he drove but only him...I have read nothing else recently from Group44 that underlines their claim of Lewis being "the best in the field" or even a GOAT. At the same time the race in Brazil again is a great example of double standards when a drive from last to 4th in the fastest car after a qualy crash is special whereas Seb doing the same a few weeks before is not...Everything Lewis did was done by others before but somehow his "achievement" is always higher for the same things.

Have you ever tried ?

Well..I read more people actually telling why they do not like him and many of them even gave reasons and explanations...you on the other hand reduce you argumentation to calling others clueless...Without proper proof that this is actually true. Your own opinions are represented as facts on the other hand and everybody not agreeing is "biased" and "hatred" as if you guys are not biased.

 

Actually, as I remember it, elton was shown the door at red bull, and ferrari showed not even a slight glimmer of interest in him, and those teams were ahead of mclaren at the time, they were a third tier team performing barely better than Mercedes by comparison. Mercedes however, were well documented at the time as lobbying for this current iteration of the rules and as developing their 2014 challenge even at the expense of 2013 in the opinion of many in the pitlane. Elton would have been well aware of the talk going on, but in reality had little choice but to either go to mercedes where the smart money was predicting their rising challenge, or even further into the midfield.

Ross brawn and niki Lauda simply were able to show that sit tight, and the car will be there, would work better than to sit still and hope mclaren (losing their works deal) would improve

 

Thanks for quoting me Pete my post wasn't aimed at you, but as you came knocking be my guest and show me.where I have said someone is clueless, because I'am clueless about that, or is it you

 

Yes there will be an asterisk

*Lewis Hamilton

















*GOAT

 

Agree 99 44/100ths percent. 'Makes far too much sense though for those with red tinted glasses....
(The other .56 off is for you're (get it?) grammar..."could of" and "wouldn't of" should be "could have" and "wouldn't have". It's impossible to "of" done something but not so to "have" done something )

 

The best team wants the best driver.

Mercedes chose Hamilton.

Thank you for the grammar correction.

I sometimes remember your advice for a few weeks or months. Then I stop posting for awhile and I forget to use my new found knowledge. I could have written that better.

 

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LH move no matter the process has worked out. He has the wins and titles. As all drivers who have the ability to win, he made the most of the situation presented to him. MS did the same along with others.

 

In that respect, Ham and Alonso are like ying and yang! See - the universe is in balance after all...

 

I think a telling fact in this story is the thoughts of the undisputed GOAT, Schumacher. He only ever tipped two drivers for greatness. One was Alonso, the other was Vettel. That is all.

 

I'm not going to repeat myself. Look at what I wrote all answers to your questions are there.

 

I like how four years is recent to some. To others four years, especially in f1 terms, is a bloody lifetime hehehehe.

Recent title my arse. At the time, Vettel was hammering everyone in his red bull, and I didn’t see red bull thinking ‘hold on, Elton’s better and he’s available, let’s sign him up’. They actually thought they were happy with their drivers, let’s hire rookies into the team and further some careers, and keep winning. Along the way, we won’t have a guy that upsets the team and has no mates, and wants to blame the team every time he crashes or doesn’t win but wants to take all the plaudits if he does win


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We don't know what Red Bull's thoughts were on Lewis.

Red Bull didn't change their driver line up until after Lewis went to Mercedes.

Red Bull didn't go the rookie route until after they were pissed off at F1 because of engine rules.

Red Bull is going to Honda for $$$, they are done taking the approach of spending to be the best team.

If Mercedes thought it would be easy, they wouldn't of wanted/needed Hamilton. They could of picked up just anyone. Instead Mercedes looked to the best they could get.

 

Yes and it worked out just fine, much to the dismay of his naysayers and doubters.