All Ferraris Will Be Hybrids Starting in 2019

I don't know about anyone else, but those sounds remind me of a dentist drill, and I know it may not be audible on a recording, but is there any bass at all? And maybe they can have fake flames from a fake exhaust pipe too?

 

I am absolutely no fan of all electric cars, especially not for Ferrari. But thinking of hybrid I very much like the idea (except for weight issue). It offers the best out of two worlds and makes it possible to go even more extreme with the ICE as it can be modified to top end performance. The idea of an small high revving ICE paired with an electric motor seems quite appealing to me.

 

Porsche is chasing this goal hard at the moment.


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below 30mph, the fisker emits a sound from speakers at the front and rear, that is a reproduction of luke skywalker's hover craft. i like it

 

I rest my case.

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It's a softening of our senses, for sure, and I have no doubt it will continue as a trend. My humble opinion is that the only reason people will find ICE cars obnoxious is because they will not have heard anything else; because they won't be allowed to hear anything else. And this is not to say that electric cars, per se, are plus or minus. I'm only talking about a visceral reaction that people tend to have with the sounds of certain engines.

When each of my 3 children went to their first race years ago, they never forgot what they heard and it wasn't me that had to convince them otherwise. No doubt there's a cogent argument to be made between what the character difference should be between a race car and a road car... plus between a road car and an enthusiast's road car. I respectfully submit that it lives very deep in our soul to be thrilled by the ICE sound and that is going to no doubt slowly disappear from our awareness, which to me is kind of like saying "Ban All Cigars" so no one will know what an occasional indulgence they can be. The world goes on, but I can't say it makes the sum total of our life experiences better. Just my 2 cents.

 

https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-battery-researcher-told-us-about-the-tesla-1820558723
0-60 1.9 secs
0-100 4,4 secs
600+ mile range
8.8 sec 1/4 mile
250 top speed.



If ferrari wants to stay in the game they will need to compete with the above level of paper performance. Yes ver 2.0 will weigh near 4000lbs but thats a wet weight, and didnt hold the GTR, 599, maranello etc, back. Whats the current wet weight of a ferrari?

When it comes to sheep perfoemance numbers, immediacy of resposne, the ICE days are numbered. Like a steam engine its a great nostalgia thing, but the ICE numbers are so far off it will be all eletcric pretty soon. Plus with China banning ICE in many areas and Euro to follow, by 2025 or sooner we will se an electric ferrari that will simply blow any ICE product they amke away. The positive they can make classic drivign and sounding ICE . cars as a sub brand

As for sound every sci fi movie has cars that sound like jet turbines, easy to do with electrics.

If were already in paddle land, and relatively unlimitied hp with trurbo motors, might as well eliminate the ICE drawbackcs complete the circle and go electric.

 

Traveller highlighted the following line in a recent article:

https://www.ft.com/content/9427424a-be97-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111

I think this says it well. Thus, you will need an ICE in a Ferrari for some time. If hybrid lets us keep NA V12s in some Ferrari models, then I am all for it.

As to electric, I think Ferrari does need to engage with the electric car side of the equation. And they have done that with the KERS on their F1 cars and the hybrid in the LF. Who knows what other things they have going on behind the scenes. If I were running things, I would be sure to research different setups. I think they should also consider participating in Formula E.

Tesla roadster is fascinating. I get the sense I am being presented with an elaborate version of the sidewalk shell game. Time will tell if it pans out. What they have done so far is remarkable in many ways. Yet the current line up is not appealing to me at all. I find the interior cheap and seats uncomfortable- I've tried the latest ones as well. I also think if Tesla cannot figure out mass production they are going to have a tough time hanging around. This isn't some kind of Amazon like operation where they can run at a loss on the promise of dominating the future. Tesla has said their objective is to make EVs mainstream. They might very well succeed at that. But, did you notice they don't say they are looking to turn a profit or to continue to be a player? There's a good chance by the time they figure out how to build the Model 3 in volume (and who knows if its at a profit), the others will be on line with their own hybrids and EVs. McLaren is going to make a purely electric vehicle. Which would you rather own, a purely electric McLaren or Tesla Roadster? Price will be similar. I'd take the McLaren as I don't rate engine sound as one of the selling points right now anyway.

Electric cars have many advantages over ICE for performance, such as instant torque vectoring to each contact patch. But- can you constantly access that performance as you go around a track? That is one area where ICE remains far superior- at least right now. Maybe in the future electric will catch up.

I also will submit to you all that while a Honda with a loud exhaust might be seen as obnoxious to future generations, a Ferrari might not be, it might be simply considered as a kind of mechanical music. What did you think the first time you ever heard a Ferrari go by? You probably did not have a frame of reference. Yet most think it sounds good.

To come back to the point of the article, for me its all about the whole experience so I'm excited to see where this all goes! I would be surprised if Ferrari is caught unaware.

 

The Formula Es sound like slot cars.

 

how many races, whatever the category, have tesla participate in again? won? placed?

oh yea, thats right.....none.

show me real results and i might get excited

 

Hang on over 50% of threads say paddles are great because Ferrari is all about cutting edge tech and performance. Stick advocates like myself are accused of being luddites who would like a return of the starting crank.

NOW all of a sudden its all about "arousal"

Imo that ship sailed in lucas time.

If by arousal you mean instant responses from feel free yet accurate and direct steering, paddles because they are faster, then yes theya re about arousal. To me an electric fits well within the current definition of arousal and extends it.

Fact is the truly viceral mechanical ferrari departed the stage somewhere around the 355 or cs. The new cars are a different strain offering indstant response, and electrics seem to enhance almost everything that people laud about modern ferraris. Weve already lost steerign feel, we have lost the connection with the machine through the transmision, the new turbo motors perform as if they were electric, why not complete the circle and get the full enahanced effect.

in any event global legislation and sheep performance numbers will make it so.

 

Its not to my taste, but sound is subjective. I know Harley/muscle car guys that think our cars sound lame. I'm sure many millennials, and women who aren't into cars, consider the sound of a performance engine to be little more than obnoxious noise pollution.

 

Somewhere there is Youtube video of a kid making great F1 sounds. Maybe Ferrari could hire the kid to make tapes.

 

I dont know what german car u drove but a s65 is still much faster in an autobahn than a p100d.
I went 220mph with a s65 on the autobahn and i guarantee the p100d doesnt get close.


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I think "arousal", "visceral mechanical" and other such words are subjective. You make great points but you have a very subjective point of view- its your right- but Ferrari is supplying a market for cars where people like how they make them feel. You might not like it, but the market place has spoken. The question of the thread is where is the market going. I submit to you all that it won't be Tesla to steal sales from Ferrari.

 

That is correct. The problem facing electric is getting electrons into and out of a battery quickly and repeatedly. This is where ICE still has a tremendous advantage, but I would not be smug and assume it will always have an advantage. This is why I think Ferrari should consider Formula E or at the least have some kind of secret "Skunkworks" type team working on electric and hybrid drivetrains.

 

There is one problem I see for Ferrari getting into Formula E- it seems beginning next year McLaren is the battery supplier... I would imagine that is probably not a positive for Ferrari. My point is they should expose their electric efforts to some kind of competitive arena so they can gauge their progress.

 

Not that my opinion matters to Ferrari, but a lineup including hybrids is okay, just not a lineup entirely consisting of hybrids. The trouble is the inevitable move to ditch the ICE altogether. That is the day I fear, because electric cars may be fast, but they're not more exciting.