Is there something wrong with this 328? Seems like an okay deal.

15 Miles away? Go take it for a drive and check it out. Records? Leakdown and compression check? Clutch? Might be a really good deal.

 

• Someone really loves ArmorAll and Tireshine
• It's not original paint. You can see overspray on the wheel liners.
• Interior needs some love... tear on the driver's seat, some of the black vinyl around the accessories is starting to split. Looks like one of the console switches has a cigarette burn on it.
• Engine doesn't look terrible, but also not particularly cared for.
• One tire has a ... hex nut? instead of a proper lug bolt.
• Suspension bits look old and in need of replacement

Price is nice. I think it's worth a hard look and a PPI.

BTW: It's not "2017 fast", but a 3x8 feels faster than you might expect on a lovely curvy back road. As least my passengers think so.

 

The right seat of the 328 always goes 20% faster than the left one....

Rgds

 

If it were a GTB as stated, that would be a good price. But the photos show a red GTS and for that money, you can do better.

 

looks good to me for a 328. 33K miles. price seems right on.

I do like the Warranty language... if that were only true... try to get a 328 under any warranty today!

 

I called twice about that car before I bought my 89.
I liked that it was one owner but ( and this is a flaky reason) that hole in the seat just really put me off.
And the engine looks rough for a car with so few miles. I “think” it was priced at 72k a while back.
To me it seems decent at 67 especially if they have any more wiggle room.

 

Offer 60K see what they say.

 

As mentioned, the hole in the seat/seat condition is very off-putting as is the appearance of the intake manifold top and the air filter cover. Admittedly those are not serious functional problems but they create a bad first impression on me. Also, the wear on that seat looks much heavier than what occurs in the mileage shown on the Odometer. And why would it need a new clutch at that mileage? I realize that poor clutch usage (riding the clutch, etc) can wear a clutch out relatively quickly but IMO, further research to verify the mileage would be in order.

 

You can find out a lot by throwing out a low ball offer. If they accept your suspicions are probably right. In addition you can make a sales contract contingent on the cars operation. ie i buy it you pay for all the stuff to get fixed or fix it first then give me a price.

 

The market is not that low... as always you get what you pay for! Someone looks to have neglected the car and that is what you see!
I don't believe the mileage- compare them to my pictures of a similar car at 47K miles. It's less expensive to buy a 328 that is less rough. Look for documented mileage and review the service records closely...

 

Better? What is your definition of better? Faster or cheaper?

 

I'm no Ferrari expert, but I am into cars and motorcycles big time. While there are a lot of little specific things that grab my attention, the cumulative impression is of a car that has been driven hard and put away wet.

As others have mentioned, it appears to have been repainted. Based on the reflections, etc, it doesn't look like the greatest quality. At the very least, the paint needs a good detailer to do some serious paint correction on it.

As to the interior and the mileage, it appears to me t be a higher mileage car. The seats are rough, the grain on the steering wheel leather looks pretty worn in spots, and the rubber on the pedals look more worn that the mileage would indicate.

I will take you a month of Sundays to get all that damned goo someone has sprayed over EVERYTHING! Even the radio, for Pete's sake. And it's the application of that goo that really makes me stop and think. No one who knows what that car is would do that. On the other hand, a lot of fly-by-night places cover everything in that crap because it hides all the faded black.

Just my opinion, and likely worth exactly what you paid for it, but if I were in the market for such a car, just the pictures would make me want to run away as fast as I could.

 

First up - obviously, neither of these cars is a QV.

Secondly, that '82 is priced a lot higher than I'd value it. The interior is rough... it looks like "more than 18K miles" rough to me. Though I suppose if the PO never cleaned the interior, the mileage could be accurate... still, it shows the lack of care the PO had for the car. Did someone projectile vomit all over the headliner? The AC vents/stereo framing is terrible; almost as if something took it apart, broke the bracket, then reassembled it incorrectly.

Rusted radiator cap, split rubber boots on the plug wires - things like that make me wonder what other things in the engine bay (hoses, etc) are past their lifetime.

The hood area is missing the battery cover, all the foam, the spare + retention nut. Radiator has old dried coolant all over it.

Like I said - priced higher than I think it should be. And I don't just mean $5K too high.

If you're quite serious about getting one of these cars, I'd suggest you expand your search beyond your local area. There are far better cars than these 2 out there, in the same basic price range.

 

In looking through the photos of the '82, most of the engine bay issues appear to be just age related; rubber that is cracked, but still functional, and the owner has not replaced because it does not cause operability problems.

Regarding the 18k mileage on the speedo, ... hum, seats are worn, accelerator pedal is worn; it has obviously seen usage. Conversely the carpets look nice and fresh but may have been replaced. Likewise the rear shelf fabric and the rest of the fabric lining is not the usual stuff (... that I am familiar with).

And the condition of the targa roof liner doesn't match the rest of the interior. It looks like moisture damage; maybe the thing was off the car and left in a damp place. ... I am making excuses for the seller there; who knows ... Additionally, a big irreversible change is that the targa top has been painted red.

All in all, it is mostly unmolested, which counts for a lot. No big holes cut anywhere; no weird after-market revisions, etc. Few of these cars are perfect; it is always a question of where on the condition/price curve you want to buy.

I will remain silent on my opinion regarding price or desirability of a 2v GTSi.

 

I can tell you that Ferrari leather and its dye are not the most durable. 18k miles of wear with someone who is very neglectful, or whose size is slightly too big for the 308 where he slides into the seat every time will cause the seat leather on the bolster to wear down to nothing. Don't use the seat leather to judge the mileage on the car. It is not accurate.

As for the GTSi being desirable, well, it's not.

 

Did that car get wet? Like really wet? Rust in weird places and all that black staining... The leather looks like it got wet at some point. Hmmm...

 

My issue with the interior isn't (really) worn leather ... it's just the filth. The center console has a film of black gunk all on it, for example. The rims on the center gauges have layers of caked dirt.

Of course, all these cars are old. And unless you've already done concours restoration, you're going to find issues. But when I see a lack of cleaning - which is free - it tells me there's going to be some other things that were completely neglected. If you haven't even cleaned the gauges, I'm betting the hoses and belts aren't doing that great either.

$58,500? Please. I'd be offering $35K as an opener.

 

This car has been dipped in silicone to make for a sale to someone who will be captivated by the car's style, but knows little else about these cars. The interior is very tired, probably stored outside, original owner if true must have lost the passion or life got in the way of looking after this one. As a poster noted, beyond a compression and leakdown as part of the ppi to ensure the engine basics are ok, I would budget for a replacement of all fuel lines, coolant and brake hoses, it is no small job to update them all. Other than these safety items, it does look complete, so if you are up for a rolling restoration dealing with suspension bushings and other things that improve the driving experience over time, do much or your own mechanical work, and don't require interior perfection, it might work out. But the ask is not correct for the condition.

This reinforces the fallacy of getting a low mileage car. A car with a higher mileage indicates a continuous driving record and by definition has proven its reliability and would have had requisite maintenance along the way.