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  1. Lel

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    This is #3165 in March 2016 leaving North of Europe for its Homeland.

    #3165 lived its early life in Parma under the nickname "Tamiura"

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  2. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Many years ago, when I first met Giampaolo Dallara, I was very impressed by his kindness and his accuracy to answer to my interview questions.

    Every year, we met several times, in order to go deeper with his answers, to enlarge the topics and I will never thank him enough for all the clarifications he gave me...

    Of course, one day will happen to share all these informations in that book so expected by some of you !


    For some private reasons, Giampaolo and I became progressively friends, and he confessed me he was wondering to buy an early Miura built from his era at Sant Agata Bolognese...

    For the people who doesn't know yet, I have always managed several activities in parallel, as brokering cars, as you can read in my website.


    Giampaolo challenged me to find him a specific Miura, the only one delivered at that period to Parma... the only clue was the color : Bianco... was its original color ?

    For 5 years, I offered him regularly Miura, but none was matching his target.

    I asked him for any other particular souvenir... then he gave me another clue, he was looking for the "Miura Tamora"... Tamora Borgati was a well famous mannequin in these years and she was sitting in the passenger seat, window open, so people could recognised her cruising downtown Parma...

    My investigations leaded me to identify the Miura he was looking for : #3165.

    He took me 2 more years, untill a collector approached me to offer his Miura restoration project to my friends/collectors network... luckily that one was #3165, the loop was done !

    I went to inspect it, as my pics show, the restoration by Polo Storico was obvious and Giampaolo was hilarious to get it asap for his 80th birthday, last year.

    During the 50th anniversary Miura, after the arrival of the group to Dallara Automobili and our visit of the factory, Stefano Domenicali and Maurizio Regianni offered Giampaolo symbolically the keys of his Miura in front of the whole audience/group... and he had also some kind words to my attention to have been so persistent until I made his dream to come true !

    Since it is restored, I saw it for the 1st time at Neuchâtel Concours of Elegance, globally the result is very nice, yes there are few corrections to do, but minor, a deeper inspection may reveal other imperfections, but the result is awesome and Giampaolo is proud and very happy, that's the most important to me ! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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  3. miurasv

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    Great!!! Thank you, Olivier for sharing the above regarding Dallara. I thought he must have wanted an early Miura made during his tenure as I believe he left Lamborghini in 1969.
     
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  4. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Dallara’s Polo Storico-restored Miura wins at UK’s Salon Privé

    Sant’Agata Bolognese/Salon Privé, UK, 1 September 2017 – A Miura P400, owned by Gian Paolo Dallara, has won its class at the UK’s Salon Privé concours event, just a month after its restoration was completed by Lamborghini Polo Storico.

    The Miura, chassis #3165, was announced best in class of the “Evolution of the supercar pin-ups” category, in the Salon Privé Chubb Insurance Concours d’Elégance. The Miura stole first place from eight competing cars.

    Gian Paolo Dallara, technical director of Lamborghini from 1963 to 1969, was one of the ‘fathers’ of the Miura, along with Paolo Stanzani and designer Marcello Gandini. Dallara acquired the Miura in 2016. Wanting an early model, Dallara remembered this particular car, body #68 (light weight chassis with 0,8 mm frame thickness) with engine #1400, in his home town of Parma. Lamborghini Polo Storico was commissioned to complete a full restoration of the white car with black interior. After 14 months and nearly 3,000 hours’ work, the car was presented to Dallara in July this year.

    “I have a very emotional connection with this car, it represents an incredible moment in my life,” says Gian Paolo Dallara. “To see it restored to its true, original state and to have it recognized at its first concours event, is another celebration of the Miura’s place in our hearts and automotive history.”

    Salon Privé takes place annually in the grounds of Britain’s Blenheim Palace. This year’s Chubb Insurance Concours d’Elegance included seven classes with over 60 classic car entries.

    Lamborghini Polo Storico manages the restoration and certification of classic Lamborghini cars; the preservation of archives and records; and the provision of original Lamborghini spare parts for classic cars. A spare parts warehouse covers more than 65% of the classic Lamborghini model car parc, with supply of additional components on request. Over 12 classic Lamborghini cars have been restored by Polo Storico, including 6 Miura models.

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  5. joe sackey

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    Very nice story, thank you for sharing it in detail.
     
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  8. joe sackey

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    On September the 20th 1968, Dallara wrote Bob Estes a letter to say "at the moment I am leaving Lamborghini"...
     
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  10. corsalfa

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    following my previous message, please do click on the upper link to see it in full !
    Marc
     
  11. corsalfa

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    Now, let's see what happens when one cuts both images right at the level of the upper front angle of their respective rocker panels!

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    which means View attachment 2473080 View attachment 2473081


    Take notice the overall diameter of the tires has nothing to do with the fact the body "sunk" next to the standing height of the hubs.

    This is to me the right approach to demonstrate someting, not just words but facts !

    Enjoy,
    Marc
     
  12. corsalfa

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    Now, let's see what happens when one cuts both images right at the level of the upper front angle of their respective rocker panels!



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    which means

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    Take notice the overall diameter of the tires has nothing to do with the fact the body "sunk" next to the standing height of the hubs.

    This is to me the right approach to demonstrate someting, not just words but facts !

    Enjoy,
    Marc
     
  13. corsalfa

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    Compare the postion of the hubs between the two pictures (see the yellow car above) and you'll understand what happenned to the suspension springs after 40 years or so!!!

    Pretty clear now, Isn't it ?

    Hope it'll help !
    Bests,

    Marc
     
  14. joe sackey

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    #15940 joe sackey, Dec 2, 2017
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    I think we can all agree that after the combination of not inconsiderable road-use and many years (actually, 50 years) the suspension on any car will settle noticeably, that much is elementary automotive knowledge.

    When I stated "note ride height" of 3165, this in no way implied that this is the correct ride-height for all Miura P400, that inference ought not be concluded. Without the benefit of telepathy, allow me to explain what I was thinking in my mind when I made that comment: I meant nothing other than the straightforward remark that we should note the ride-height for purposes of discussion!

    If you actually care to ask me what I think about the ride-height of Dallara's P400, having had the personal experience of owning 5 different Miuras over the last 25 years, I think Dallara's P400 is a little low at the rear. That said, Lamborghini's do look good sitting a little low, sometimes people prefer to see a sleek sports car hugging the ground, it's really up to the owner, his car, his choice. Let's see what transpires and we'll note again if Dallara raises the rear or not.

    By the way, there is no single "right approach" to demonstrate a point, thoughtful & knowledgeable opinions by themselves are also welcome even without photographic illustrations to back them up, plus other means also, that's the way a public forum works FWIW.
     
  15. joe sackey

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  16. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Miura S #4419, I ""helped"" the previous owner to sell his jewel end of June to its current owner...

    It was then delivered in August & registered "MIURA"... nice license plate !

    As life is Strange or sometimes explainable, it is already commissionned/offered for sale by fellow Simon Kidtson : http://www.kidston.com/kidston-cars/1683/1970-Lamborghini-Miura-P400-S

    But, the text is incomplete as it doesn't state all the history... because before Mr Brignole who bought the car at auction sale Poulain-Le Fur in 1989, owned it to 2013 , sold again at Artcurial Retromobile auction sale february 2013 , owned by a good friend untill june 2017, the car had also an extraordinary life before...

    Next time, Simon asks for details to your Belgian fellow...



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  17. Lemacc

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    I assume #4878. Stunning color indeed.
     
  18. Lemacc

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    Can you share the VIN?
     
  19. joe sackey

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    I can imagine it would be simply stunning in its original Azzuro Mexico.

    I have followed this car from days when it was white also, meanwhile, any idea why it sports an SV front bumper?
     
  20. bb4635

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    ... meanwhile, any idea why it sports an SV front bumper?[/QUOTE]

    The bonnet of #4419 today - now back with eye-lashes, but still with a SV bumper - appears to have been partly modified back to an original P400S version from the SV front bonnet this car was wearing when it was still white (picts from 2013). The wheel-arches shape on the front fenders, being still of a SV version...
     
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  22. bb4635

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    This stunning gold Miura SV with air-cond. is #5030

    Here pictured at Neuchatel together with orange SV #4950 & lime green SV #4838

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  23. joe sackey

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    I missed your request.

    Correct.
     
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    This is more apparent in white.
     

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